Crush Fatigue, Transform Your Sleep & Feel 25 Again with This Master Antioxidant (Glutathione)

Nick Urban [00:00:07]:
Are you a high performer, obsessed with growth, and looking for an edge? Welcome to MINDBODY Peak Performance. Together, we’ll discover underground secrets to unlocking the full potential of your mind, body, and spirit. We’ll learn from some of the world’s leading minds, from ancient wisdom to cutting edge tools and everything in between. This is your host, Nick Urban. Enjoy the episode. Let’s talk antioxidants. If you’ve looked into supplementation or longevity, you’ve probably heard of glutathione referred to as your body’s most powerful defense system, the master antioxidant, things along those lines. Perhaps you’ve even tried an antioxidant or two and had a mixed experience.

Nick Urban [00:00:59]:
Maybe you didn’t notice anything. Well, our guest this week sent me his antioxidant product to try, a glutathione product. And I was blown away because this was the first time that I actually felt a significant shift from an antioxidant supplement. I’m not alone. I’m not at liberty to disclose the different people that he works with. But suffice to say that a lot of people are actually feeling a difference from this product, and of course, improving their health. That’s partially because things like stress, toxins, and even intense exercise can deplete your glutathione levels faster than your body can replenish them. Our guest this week is doctor Nayan Patel, and in it, he shares how this one particular antioxidant dramatically improve recovery, optimize performance, and support longevity with one simple ingredient.

Nick Urban [00:01:54]:
Of course, we also discussed the essentials, things like water, magnesium, minerals, diet, balancing oxidative stress levels, and a whole lot more. Doctor Patel is a renowned pharmacist, a wellness expert, and thought leader specializing in customized medication and nutrition plans. He’s been doing this since 1999, and he’s now trusted by celebrities, CEOs, and physicians. He’s also the author of a book called The Glutathione Revolution. Then after eleven years of clinical research, he developed a patented topical glutathione delivery system, fixing the issue of absorption, which is common across most antioxidant supplements. So, yes, the product we discussed is a topical couple sprays onto your belly and let it sit, or you can wash it off after forty five minutes. It does have a sulfurous odor because it’s clutathione. Personally, I was a little self conscious of it when I was in the gym and going to the airport.

Nick Urban [00:03:01]:
So I did wash it off after about an hour. But for some people, it might not be as intense, but the effects are definitely worth it. And when I traveled to where I am currently, it seemed to make a big difference in how quickly I adjusted to the new time zone. If you wanna try out his product, the code urban will save you 10%. You’ll also find that in the show notes for this episode as well as a link to buy. And the show notes will be at mindbodypeak.com slash the number 204. If you wanna go deeper into the topics we discussed today, there is his book called The Glutathione Revolution. You can pick that up on Amazon or anywhere books are sold.

Nick Urban [00:03:40]:
And then for more information about the bio individuality of glutathione and antioxidant systems, I suggest you check out episode number one seventy one with doctor Tyler Panzner. If you find this interesting or you’ve been getting a lot of value out of these episodes, I’d love it if you’d go ahead and leave the show a rating, a review, a thumbs up, wherever you’re listening to it. That’s how I continue bringing you thought provoking guests each and every week. Now sit back, relax, and enjoy this conversation with doctor Patel. Doctor Patel, welcome to the podcast.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:04:14]:
Absolutely. Thanks for having me today.

Nick Urban [00:04:16]:
So to set the stage, just a minute ago, we were talking offline. You mentioned that you used to take a ton of supplements and you’ve pared down to just one or very few. Will you walk us through the story, your evolution there? How did that happen and why?

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:04:32]:
And supplementation was it’s huge. I mean, it’s still huge today, but, fifteen, eighteen years ago, it was getting to a point where everybody should be on vitamin d. Everybody should everybody should be on magnesium. Everybody should be on fish oils and vitamin d and and co q ten, and the list goes on and on and on. Right? I used to sell the core vitamins as as a multivitamin, a probiotic, something for their bone health, something for your heart health. I mean, I I preached it, and I told everybody that that same exact story. And then I found out that we’re the highest consumer of supplements in the world, but we’re not even healthy. I said, what the heck is going on? Right? And I I was hoping that I’ll feel myself was was healthier, but then I knew I was not healthier.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:05:13]:
And so I went back to figure out what the basics are. My research led me to understand what my basics were needed. And then, for the next fifteen years, I basically started cutting back on every single thing that I do, in terms of supplementations, changed my diet completely, stopped drinking alcohols, only drink. I I only drink water anyways from from from from the day one. I never drink tea or coffee or juice or soda, nothing like that. So, it was easy for me to transition into a healthy diet, but I but I did that part. I lost the weight. I was I obviously weighed over close to two hundred pounds, but I’m now in my one sixties, one seventies at all times.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:05:51]:
My energy level was higher. Even cheaper diet, I was from carnivore to now vegetarianist most of the time. I just I I call it presbyterian. I do fish once in a while, but very, very seldom. I take lots of amino acids, and and what I’ve done over the years is I have reduced my consumption, and by doing so, I have my energy levels off the roof now. I’m literally indestructible at this point. At at age of 53, 50 four right now, I feel like I’m in the best health of my life, even with taking less products and more energy.

Nick Urban [00:06:28]:
Well, that’s a awesome goal. So what is in your routine now? I have a feeling it’s gonna be the product that’s gonna be the focus of our discussion today and specifically one key ingredient. I could be wrong.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:06:39]:
Well, the thing is, glutathione is definitely my focus, but that that’s just that I don’t consider that as a supplement. It’s like, do you drink, do you consider, drinking water as a healthy nutrition diet for yourself? No, it’s a necessity. And so that’s the way I look at it. The the absolute necessity for human beings is glutathione. Besides gluten that your body produces, you need still in water and air to survive. Without those, you will die pretty fast. And so, everything, everything that I do is around those three things. But besides that, the one supplement that I do take is magnesium.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:07:14]:
And the magnesium I don’t I don’t consider magnesium as a supplement because magnesium is is something that conducts electricity in our body. And so, you know what, I’m never grounding myself. I I’m always wearing shoes or slippers or whatever. I’m never barefoot in my touching the grounds ever. If I barefoot in my house, if my house is not, is not just dirt in there. Right? And so, because of that, the electricity the condition of the electricity in our body is is somewhat distorted. There’s a lot of theories about grounding yourself on a daily basis and discharges all the excess chemical charges that that produce in the human body. And to regulate that that electrical charge, I take magnesium.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:08:00]:
That’s the only that I take magnesium for that purposes. Other than that, if I can start grounding myself, which is I don’t know where then how. I have artificial turf in my backyard too nowadays. I I don’t know what’s good that’s gonna happen ever, but that’s the that’s the only thing that I take.

Nick Urban [00:08:17]:
Yeah. There’s a lot of basis for different vitamins and minerals at the very least. Magnesium is probably the most deficient of the minerals. And, like, all the electrolytes are important for cellular communication and so many things, and that they’re no longer just for athletes, especially because of nutritionally depleted foods and soils and stress burn of nutrients, all kinds of reasons to take the right thing for you at your current stage. You mentioned a minute ago glutathione. That is one that I have not covered at all on this podcast, and I’d love to hear about what that is and why you took interest in that molecule specifically.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:08:54]:
Well, boy, I’m in the right right place at the right time, I guess. That’s my lifelong work is on glutathione. As a pharmacist, when I first graduate from pharmacy school in Southern California, I was it’s a top two school in the in in the country. And, you know, when you graduate from from the top schools in the nation, you are set to conquer the world. Right? And you come out of of the school and you say, hey. You know what? I got all the knowledge in the world, and I will change the lives for everybody. No. Not so fast, buddy.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:09:25]:
Right? I was told really fast that in pharmaceuticals, our job is to manage people’s problem, not get rid of them. I said, woah. That to me is like, that’s an underground rule that’s in the in the community that our job is to manage people’s problem. Really? Really? That’s what I’m gonna tell my dad and mom that, hey, I’m here to manage your problems, not get rid of the problems. I said, what did I put you in school for? For nothing. Right? And so very quickly, I realized that I was in the wrong side of the coin. This was not the feature that I I wish for upon myself or my family and my friends. And so quickly, I started looking into compounding.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:10:07]:
I said, hey. If if the medic if I’m gonna manage people’s problem, let me let me start making my own medications. I started making my own medications, in the in the parameters of what doctors wanted me to do and reduce the reduce the burden, reduce toxicity, reduce poly pills, or people taking multiple pills for the same problem, and start doing compounding as a as a service, to people that that need their that that need their help. And very quickly, I found out that people that needed their help was the rich people because they got the money to to afford my services, and the rich people are not gonna take it for granted. I said, no. No. No. I don’t just manage my problems.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:10:44]:
I wanna get rid of my problems. Right? And they have the money to back it up. And so I started looking at it and said, hey. What is one thing that I can do to make a profound impact in everybody that I I come in contact with? What is one thing that I do? And, of course, the the the answer is right in front of me. Right? Because at that time, back in the late nineties, early ‘2 thousand, there there was a humongous craze for antioxidants. Right? This humongous craze. People were just taking all kinds of vitamin c. In the final, the vitamin c is not even an antioxidant.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:11:21]:
It’s not. It’s by chemically, it’s a pro oxidant. I said, what’s an antioxidant? And that’s what it lead to me to glutathione. But then, if we look at glutathione, it’s been out for a hundred forty plus years, but nobody in the world had figured out how to get inside your body. Nobody. You can inject it. You can take a pill. You can take creams.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:11:40]:
You can lotions. I mean, there’s some liquid gels, all kinds of things. It’s inside your body, but the body is fully compartmentalized. It can just goes in and comes out, and you know, you you you didn’t it doesn’t even touch it. Right? And that’s what gluathione is. It doesn’t even touch it inside your body. I said, okay. This is what we’re gonna work on.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:11:58]:
There you go. That that was my answer because, that one thing can can lead to a lot of different, solutions. And for me, it was not just, a solution that I was looking for. I was just trying to figure out, can I stabilize this molecule in the first place? Because as a pharmacist, my job was just to get the stable molecule to work with. It took me almost five to six years to get that one done first. Another couple more years to to see that if I can get you inside your body through your skin because skin is a physical barrier. And then what I found out was the biggest problem was not getting inside your body. It’s getting inside your cells.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:12:37]:
And that’s when my whole paradigm shift, my mind completely shifted. I said, woah. Wait a second. I take b twelve shots, and you’re telling me that b twelve shots stays in the plasma part, and within femurts is already the urine because the urine is already turning red. I said it’s not blood, it’s the b twelve shots. That means the body has a system to clear out everything that we take. Why the hell do we take products then in the first place if the body’s not gonna accept it? So instead, I wanted to find out how can I bought how can what can I do so that body can accept my gluathione? And that was in February when I first discovered it, that I was able to actually bypass a skin as a physical barrier, a cell as a chemical barrier, two different barriers, two different mechanisms, and and go through both of them. One through size, and one through acceptance.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:13:36]:
And so that’s what I worked on. And when I did when I first discovered that in 02/2007, I was way ahead of my game. There was nothing published in the whole world in any literature, so I had to do my own sort of trials to figure every single thing. It took me another thirteen more years to figure that portion out. But in that thirteen years, guess what I was doing? I was learning. I says, why am I taking vitamin d? Is it getting absorbed? Maybe it’s not. Check check my levels. They’re fine.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:14:05]:
Stop it. Why am I taking what, vitamin c? Well, they just pees it out. Well, b is maybe it may increase my glutathione levels, but that’s a mild before that, I already have glutathione, so let’s not take that one either. And slowly but surely, I got rid of all my pills, but everything. I changed my diet to completely I I I tried to eat a very healthy diet. I understand that the the food source is not the best. I’m blessed to be living in California where 80% of the foods, is organic over here, which is very, very lucky to have that part. And so I’ve been doing that part.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:14:40]:
But, yes, gluten is my baby. You can ask me any questions on glutathione, and I will try to answer all of them for you.

Nick Urban [00:14:47]:
Well, let’s start simply then. Why is it your baby? What makes this so special? Like, what are you hearing back from people who are using glutathione compared to any of the other hundreds of antioxidants out there? Because there’s so many. And when I was looking into glutathione, the some of the research around it is really compelling. But if you’re getting a form of glutathione that you can actually absorb and assimilate inside the cells.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:15:11]:
I love this question. This is this is such an amazing question because the answer that I’m gonna give you is gonna blow people’s minds over over here right now. So first of all, glutathione is an antioxidant. It is the mother of all antioxidants, and I’ll tell you why. But that is not the only function. The reason we’re talking about glutathione today is it is because it is the most abundant molecule produced in the human body. Right? So you cannot survive without air. Right? You can hold your breath for a few minutes, but that’s about it.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:15:43]:
You cannot survive without water, maybe a couple of weeks, couple of months at the most, maybe a month and a half, but there’s a there’s a time frame before that you will not be able to survive. And the same thing goes with glutathione. You can survive with the glutathione for a little bit longer, but, yes, past six months to a year, yeah, you’re gonna go really, really fast downhill. So glutathione is by far the most important molecule that we produce internally. We don’t produce water. We don’t produce air. Okay? So internally, this is all we produce. So why is glutathione so important? Because let’s talk about the antioxidant first.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:16:18]:
We’ll we’ll we’ll talk about the conjugation pathways and how it affects the other parts of the body later on, but let’s talk, antioxidant because that is the that that’s a question he asked me about is there’s hundreds of different products in the marketplace today for antioxidant. Everything is an antioxidant. Drink this juice. Oh my god. It’s an antioxidant. Drink, drink this dye. It’s a methyl blue dye. Oh, it’s an antioxidant.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:16:39]:
I said, it’s a dye. It’s a color. But anyways, so there’s three things that you can do to reduce oxidative stress, which is the which is what we need the antioxidants for is oxidize reduced oxidative stress. Let’s take

Nick Urban [00:16:53]:
a step back from there. I’ve covered this a couple of times in the podcast, but if people aren’t even familiar with why you’d wanna reduce oxidative stress, what’s the high level there?

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:17:01]:
Yeah. But I I I don’t wanna make sure that there there are three different things you can do to do that. One is you take all the antioxidants in the world. Right? I call them bucket number one. Vitamin c, vitamin e, co q 10, you can just name the products. That’s bucket number one. I put every product that’s in the marketplace today, that’s bucket number one. Bucket number two, your body produces three enzymes, catalase, superoxide dismutase, which is SOD, and glutathione peroxidase, that is GPX.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:17:30]:
That’s bucket number two. The bucket number three is one product, glutathione. If you combine bucket number one and bucket number two, glutathione is more powerful than those two buckets combined. Now we’re talking about see, why are we talking about glutathione today? Because all the detoxes in the world cannot drop your oxygen stress marker as fast as glutathione can do. Okay? So and and so that that that that’s one reason why, this is so important for me.

Nick Urban [00:18:05]:
Mhmm. The way I see it is that the and when it comes to oxidative stress and free radicals, basically, the body needs abundant electricity. It needs energy to be able to power all the different organs and processes. And if you have too much oxidative stress or generation of free radicals or you have insufficient energy production, then nothing is gonna work as well or at least important functions aren’t gonna work as well. And so by reducing oxidative stress with something like glutathione, then you’re able to make everything else work better.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:18:33]:
You’re absolutely right. So when you look at oxidative stress, it triggers so many different biochemical processes in your body that, it’s like a whack a mole. How many molds are you gonna whack until you figure out which is the right one? I mean, you can keep on doing this all day long. You can dance all day long, but you’re not gonna get anywhere. And the the analogy I give people is something like this. You come to your house, with bat with with two bags full of groceries. Your hands are full, so you open the door, lift the door open, you go back in the in in your house and put your groceries down. The wind comes in over here, which is proverbial oxidative stress, comes into your, into your house and knocks everything off.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:19:14]:
You have wind, you have dust, you have leaves, and debris, every single thing. You be a good body, a good human, start to clean up the debris out of your body. Right? But guess what? It’ll never get cleaned up because the door is still open. Right? So you gotta close the door. You got to shut down the oxygen stress first. But here’s the thing, if you shut down the oxygen stress, is the house gonna get cleaned up by itself? No. You still gotta go clean up the house. You still can pick up your broom in the vacuum inside cleaning your house.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:19:49]:
But once you’ve cleaned up the house, who’s gonna take the dirt dirt out? Right? So the gluathione does two things for us. It helps us stop the stress in the cracks of it, very first thing. It stops it down, allows the body to basically clip all the debris. It’s much easier to clean up the debris if the oxygen stress is zero. Right? It’s much much easier to clean it up. And once it’s cleaned up, this is where the second function of gliadin kicks in. It’s the master conjugator. It basically binds into your, into your liver and gets rid of all these toxic chemicals that your bodies are accumulating all over the body, including junk proteins, chemicals, heavy metals, organic phosphates.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:20:33]:
Whatever your body is exposed to is bringing it to the tension as it, hey. Glutathide, get rid of it. And so it does two things for us. Oxy stress is reduced by just blocking the the, the chemical processes. And then once the body is done to clip on the debris, it’s constantly is it also helping get get get rid of it.

Nick Urban [00:20:53]:
And conjugation is one of the important detoxification, like, what do you call it, mechanisms or pathways?

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:20:58]:
It’s one of the pathways. It’s not the only one. It’s the it’s the it’s the most efficient one, because every single thing is a chemical process to make it nontoxic. Right? So when people say, oh, we we’ll just give methyl enough methyl group. Oh, I have m t g five gene mutations. I cannot I I need to do some methyl groups. Only thing it’s doing is making, an active molecule into a dormant molecule, but still not getting rid of it. Right? So it makes the molecule dormant or make it passive or make it, nontoxic.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:21:31]:
But you still have to get rid of it. Right? So all this there’s glucagon, donoration. There’s methylations. There’s acetylations. All these processes is just making molecule, non toxic, but the glutathione, the conjugation is helping getting getting rid of it.

Nick Urban [00:21:49]:
Doctor Patel, I haven’t told you this, but I’ve actually used a lot of different glutathione products.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:21:54]:
Oh, okay.

Nick Urban [00:21:54]:
I’ve taken taken the pills, taken the creams, the liposomal encapsulations. Encapsulations, all the things that are supposed to improve the bioavailability of it. And when I took the other forms, I didn’t really notice any effects. I kinda just, like, assume that it’s working in the background with as with a lot of supplements. But I I have your product right here, and I’ve used it a handful of times. And what’s interesting is you apply it transdermally. So I sprayed it on my stomach where there’s no hair. And about thirty minutes later, I actually noticed something odd from a typical antioxidant, which is that it increased my energy levels.

Nick Urban [00:22:30]:
Like, it wasn’t like a stimulation a stimulation effect like caffeine, but it was, again, noticeable, like, reduction of fatigue, kinda like I get with coffee, but just, like, without the extra stimulation.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:22:42]:
Gotcha. I had noted you you are using the product. Amazing. Alright. So let’s let’s dive into that part because this is where the rubber meets the road. Why I start taking all the vitamins. Right? Because that’s that’s exactly where I first start. Because when I when I started looking at my technology, I said, hey.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:22:58]:
What can I do to to give you Glutathione? The very first product I make was liposome Glutathione, nineteen ninety nine. I made the liposome technology product. And I saw I looked at it, I said, a year and a half goes by, and I talked to the peep people. I said, the glutathione is amazing shit. This this is a great way to take liposome technology product. And I had the microfluidizers. I can I can I can get a really nice small liposomes created correctly? And a year and a half later, he says, well, it worked on some people, did not work on everybody. I guess, wait a second.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:23:33]:
Is this something like a medication that doesn’t work on everybody, works with only some people? But no. Glutena is made by every human being. It should work on everybody. It’s there’s nobody it it should not work. Right? So then that did not work for me. I said, I could not figure out why it was not working, but I knew it was not working for everybody. It was working on somebody, though. It was working on somebody, not everybody.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:23:53]:
I said, okay. The next best thing is I can I can do is make intravenous form of glutathione? So guess what I did? I made the first, IV glow well, I wasn’t the first one, but I I I made the intravenous form of glutathione back in 02/2001, I believe so. And, and I found out that it was very short lived. It only stays in the body for maybe fifteen, twenty minutes. I said, okay. That that that’s what’s going on over here? I couldn’t figure that portion out. In the meantime, the doctor in Vegas wanted to bring in glutathione to to Vegas to help people with hangovers. I said, well, I can get I can get rid of the hangovers if you just if you just give them enough glutathione.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:24:34]:
I said, done. Now so we we basically started the whole process back in 02/2001, with mobile IV clinics in Vegas. I don’t know. It’s not it wasn’t something that have now been never been done before. First time, one doctor comes in, and he started doing, like, hotels to hotels and rooms to rooms. Exciting the IVs. But what we found out, it was only living for fifteen, twenty minutes. And so I and then somebody, one of my interns brought to my attention, hey.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:25:03]:
There’s some recent back then, they didn’t know it was not very sharp. Okay. So don’t, don’t don’t judge me that I I want why can’t you just, ask your AI robot? They can tell you everything what’s going on. Right? We didn’t have AI robots back then. Anyways, so my intern comes to me. I said, hey. There’s a research study in 1991 that when you give intravenous form of glutathione, it only stays in the plasma, never enters the blood cell. And the plasma gets to the kidneys and the kidney filters out the glutathione.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:25:30]:
Every glutathione is a dump in the urine and nothing is left for the body to use out. I guess, wait a second. That’s what we were seeing that if five to fifteen minutes is all it worked. But then the patient felt better six hours later sometimes. How is that working out? What they found out was three hours later, there was a rise of cysteine in the blood. We didn’t inject cysteine. We inject glutathione. Well, the glutathione is made up of three amino acids.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:25:57]:
Right? Glycine, glutamine, and cysteine. Cysteine was actually getting reabsorbed into the body, and the body was using that to put to make his own glutathione. And I says, woah. To me, that that was that was, like, the first moment. And I looked at FDA’s website, and FDA is what FDA is doing about it. And FDA is sure enough It’s up to one product in the marketplace to improve glutathione levels, which is Mucormist. If you look at Mucormist, is what? Cysteine. That’s it.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:26:28]:
And even today’s date in the hospitals, if you go to the hospital, if you’re in intoxicated with methanol, that’s exactly what they use, a cysteine to revive you back. And I says, wait a second. So body does not ever, ever absorb any peptides. You can only, take building blocks. The body will absorb the building blocks and use that to make its own peptides. Right? And showing up in 2011, some researcher at the University of Texas in in Austin picks up this, this thing, liposome technology products, and run it through a ’26 patient trial. Right? 26 patients trial, they did it, and they’ve what they found out the exact same thing. The liposome technology product was actually getting broken down into amino acids.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:27:13]:
The body was absorbing the cysteine molecule and using that to make his own gliothione. Save your money, folks. Take cysteine, it’s cheap as hell, and use and make and allow your body to make its own glutathione. The question then becomes is that, why do I need my product then? And honestly, I asked myself I asked myself the same questions. Why why would you need my product if your body can take the cysteine, make its own glutathione? It’s because there’s a very small subset of people that actually cannot conjugate using cysteine. These are the people that have GSTM, GSTP, GGT. These are all metabolic, enzyme defects, or they have gene mutations where they cannot conjugate this product together. And it’s not like you’re born with it.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:27:58]:
If you’re born with it, you’re the spectrum. So that that’s easy to find out right away, and you put them on Glutide, and they and they respond very well. Now if you have this mutation that happens, let’s say, in the fifties or sixties, and all of a sudden, you said, hey. I don’t know what happens. It was I was healthy as a horse two years ago, and now look at this. I got two autoimmune conditions. Everything is going just going downhill right there. And sometimes, it’s because there’s a there’s a there’s a defect or the the gene mutations just kicked in, and now we have all these problems.

Nick Urban [00:28:28]:
When you say that gene mutations just kicked in, I’ve talked a bit about epigenetics on the show. Would that be like methylation, epigenetic methylation or something that’s causing it?

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:28:36]:
That’s one of them. Yeah. So MTHFR and COMT, you may have the genes that you may be prone to MTHFR reduction in your body. And if that’s true, unless it expresses it, you’re still okay. So epigenetics is what it’s all about gene expression. So in in your in in people that have this gene mutation that they’re born with it or the genes that are born with it, they’re dormant. It’s like, for example, you having your genes for breast cancer, not you, but any ladies having genes for breast cancer, BRCA genes, right? Doesn’t mean they have breast cancer, all means is that you’re prone to breast cancer if the conditions are correct. And the same thing with this, all these genes, mutations.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:29:17]:
They don’t have the problem yet, but if the conditions are correct, they will express themselves, and now you’re out of luck. Okay? So MTHFR, if you have the genes, but if it’s not expressing, that’s a good sign. You can do whatever it takes to make sure you’re in the methyl groups in your diet, like, Christmas vegetables. That way, the gene never gets to express itself. Because once it’s expressing itself, you’re out of luck. Right? You are screwed now at that point. And so so glutathione is the same thing. There’s there’s a bunch of gene expressions for glutathione.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:29:45]:
In fact, I was talking to the owner of one of the, gene testing company, and she was telling me that, man, we could do so much work because there’s some genes that fought even for the pregnancy lady, that they that they need more Glutathione. And the genes in the kids that they’re testing, they need more Glutathione. So this this this doctor was just going nuts in terms of trying to figure out all these different ways, because for the very first time, we have a solution. We have a solution now that we can fix it. Because if you have a gene mutation and you cannot conjugate, make make your own glutathione, there’s nothing you can do nothing you can do to improve glutathione levels. Imagine that.

Nick Urban [00:30:25]:
Doctor. Patel, I didn’t tell you this, but back in college, I used to help people design anti ethanol stacks, supplement stacks, and one of the ingredients I used to use in that was n acetylcysteine. But again, that wasn’t one of the ingredients that I noticed I felt any difference. I was just relying on the data that I read, hoping that it had the intended effect. And I mean, lo and behold, I drank fairly heavily, more than I wanna admit, but my liver markers didn’t go up. So I seem to be doing well. I felt great the next day. How does it work? How if you’re a responder, a proper responder to cysteine, an acetylcysteine specifically, would you feel the same effect that I felt from spraying your product on my stomach?

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:31:08]:
So here’s the thing. With NAC, you’re still depending on your body’s ability to produce this ole cloth ion. Now if you’re 20 years of age, guess what? You might be okay. You may re consume a lot of it because your needs are extremely, extremely high. Because even with one drink of alcohol, if you accidentally drink even one half, one alcohol, then your blood levels basically down to zero. And so NAC may help you a little bit, but it’s not gonna be the full replacement. Even if it helps with the alcohol, it’s not gonna help you with your body not being able to break it down. Right? Stop from breaking it down.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:31:43]:
And so so, with a glutathione topical version, it is is actually helping you metabolize all the alcohols pretty fast. It does metabolism alcohol. You be buzzy like crazy, because all the alcohol that gets metabolized by glutathione becomes acetaldehyde, and that’s neurotoxic. And so I I always suggest to people, I say, hey. This is not an antidote for drinking because the all the all the negative aspects of alcohol of of causing brain damage and intoxication is not actually healthy for you, that is not gonna stop ever with glutathione because all it does, it speeds up the process of that whole detoxification. And acetaldehyde has in your brain as a short life, so within a few hours, you’ll be you’ll be gone and you’ll be fine. But the main thing is making sure the alcohol from your whole body is is processed pretty fast. Right? And so the glucan will aid in the process.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:32:40]:
Unfortunately, the needs are very high depending on how how heavy you drink. The needs are very high. If you drink more than three, shots of any single thing, then, only thing that can help is God. So good that is good, but it’s not it’s not it’s not a pool it’s not foolproof for sure.

Nick Urban [00:32:59]:
Yeah. There’s also issues some people have with an acetylcysteine and cysteine in general and also, like, sulfuric compounds. They don’t process them well and that they’re it’ll show up in their genetic reports. And I interviewed doctor Tyler Panzner, who does this work, and he analyzes people’s gen people’s genetics. And he finds issues pretty often with, n acetylcysteine for that particular reason. And I’ve also read plenty of reports online about people experiencing anhedonia with an acetylcysteine. And so it seems like there are drawbacks that if you respond well to it, it could be a great substance and specifically the combination of glycine and an acetylcysteine, glynaq. What are your thoughts? Have you have you come across that at all?

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:33:42]:
Yeah. Absolutely. So I I know I know glynaq. I know the doctor who works with glynaq. I’ve been, he he was gung ho by glynaq for years until he saw my product, and now he will never touch glynaq ever again. He’s a he’s one of the neurosurgeons at NFL, and they were using it for TBIs and post traumatic brain disorders and concussion patients. And, with the glu with the glutathione topical version that we have, for the very first time, he saw it crossing the lipid barrier and getting deposited in various parts of the brain. So he says, this is absolutely a game changer.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:34:20]:
The future of medicine is just gonna be he’s so excited about this. He’s 80 years old. He did he did he’s he’s just read an argument as well himself. He goes, I couldn’t believe it, the amount of energy I have with just using your product all the time. So he’s feeling fantastic. His brain function is getting better, and so but here’s the thing. Overuse of cysteine by itself, cysteine has been shown to be also been neurotoxic. And so that’s there is something called five cystonyl, what’s the what’s the chemical? I forgot the name of the complex.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:34:57]:
Oh, five five cystineal dopamine complex. And so people that are with Parkinson’s, they use a lot of cystine to help them with Parkinson’s syndrome. When they’re going, they’re doing a lot of cysteine, and that complex it’s creating becomes neurotoxic, so it makes the Parkinson’s even worse. And so cysteine is actually good for you at a at a moderate doses, but if your needs are are high enough that your body doesn’t that needs more of it, you can be playing with fire because you there’s no way the body can control it. And so the idea behind this thing is that, how can I give glorified that is actually getting absorbed in a full usable form? Because if not if not, if you take any even if you take IVs, like the one of the doctors I work with, he’s a world renowned speaker of gluathione IVs. His own PBS TV show, that he talks about is is is Parkinson’s patients that he deals with it. And he I asked him, I said, hey. You’ve been injecting five or ten grams of, intravenous gluathione in these Parkinson’s patients.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:36:01]:
Are you getting a % results? He goes, no. Of course not. I will I will never say that part. I said, well, are you getting 50% results? I said, no. I said, why not? You’re you’re giving them weight more glutathione than your body is able to produce ever, but why it’s not working for you? And the thing is, what what they do find out that by by injecting very high dose of glutathione, your body will break it down into various amino acids, and your system becomes very toxic to the body, then it’s not a good thing for you. So then there’s an issue on how much you can use it. And so today, he switched over completely to the topical version.

Nick Urban [00:36:36]:
Yeah. It’s interesting to to see that it I mean, oftentimes, a small dose of something has beneficial effects and you go you think more is better and it doesn’t quite work out that way. And the bioenergetic community has been talking about the issues with an over with an excess of certain amino acids. Methionine in commonly in muscle meats, but also cysteine is another one of those. And I mean, tryptophan too, but, like, that’s not gonna be an issue in this case.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:37:02]:
Yeah. That’s dimers. That that that’s a whole different story about tryptophan as well. But you’re absolutely right. Less is more. And that’s one of the reason why it took me thirty years for research for the first time when I first discovered it, because I was having a hard time trying to figure out what dose to give you. When I when I give I said, hey. I give five I I actually give two to five grams of IV push or gluathione IVs all the time.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:37:27]:
I said, okay. If I give you a thousand milligrams of topical, it should be okay. My goodness. It was it was not good at all. Well, my first patient was myself. I said it was not good. I said, oh my god. What the hell is happening to me? I was rushing.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:37:39]:
I was itching all over the body. I was just fatigued, and I said, this is not right. So I I I stopped right away. I contacted one of the doctors I work with in Utah. And he says, Dan, don’t worry about it. Send me a bunch of bottles. I’ll do some trials for you right away. Give it to the patients.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:37:55]:
And then so anyway, we found out the actual dose was very, very small. My dose is about four sprays. Four sprays gives you roughly between ninety to a hundred and ten milligrams of glutathione. That is equivalent to somebody giving a big whopping dose of IV push. And so for me, it says, hey. If you get to where it’s supposed to go, the needs are very, very small. And you are absolutely right. Less is more because guess what? If you give more than what your body needs, the body has to work harder trying to figure out what the hell to do with it.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:38:30]:
Right? If you have a two car garage, and if you buy five cars, I mean, I would love to have more cars, but where am I gonna put it? Right? And so then you have to figure out how to deal with it. And so so I always tell people, I say, oh, can I do can I can I use more? So, of course, you can use more, but the thing is the body has to deal with it. And sometimes the body does not know how to deal with it, and it will give you some side effects. So if you do the right amount, then it’s perfect for you. Right? Now, of of course, if you’re an athlete, because I deal with a lot of NFL athletes, NBA, MLB, hockey, NHL hockey teams. I have lots and lots of athletes I work with. They’re young. They’re very, very young.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:39:12]:
The needs of glutathons are not high. But guess what? Post workout post workout, the needs are extremely high. Right? So all my athletes use it once a day, the day they work out. After they work out, they do their cold plunging and they have a break chambers and whatnot, the shower, get ready, and they’ll slap it on the gluathide and it will quench all the free radicals pretty fast. So those athletes are using the my stronger version of the gluotad because they they’re using it once a day. They’re only using the day they worked on and not every single day.

Nick Urban [00:39:45]:
So unlike some antioxidants, when used in really high dose or, I guess, there’s a high delivery, there’s some research that it can blunt the hormetic beneficial adaptations that occur post exercise, specifically around strength. Are you seeing that as an issue when with athletes? Because I can also see a very simple case where if you’re high level, your ability to recover and be back performing your exercise again can trump everything. But I’m also curious if you’ve seen any impact on exercise adaptations.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:40:19]:
Absolutely. So I work with some chiropractors and some, physical therapists and people that that train all these athletes. And it’s I’m I’m also by by the way, I’m also the PGA Tour, people that they use this product over there too. And you think the PGA Tour are just golfers. They don’t train or they do train. So they they do train hard as well. So just wanna make sure FYI, just because they’re they’re just hitting a ball, that doesn’t mean they’re not training themselves. But over overall, you’re right about the hormesis.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:40:51]:
Right? Because people, they go overboard on a training purposes. You gotta bring it back. But the thing is, the hormesis, if you if you give too much of antioxidant, you can go all the way down. Now, keep in mind, no products in the world can get you all with all the way down to zero, antioxidants. None. None. There’s not a single product in the world that they that can do that for you, except for Glitter Vial, the topical version. That’s the only product that can get you over the board because that’s the only one that gets absorbed.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:41:24]:
Right? If it’s any other product, the body can spit it out easily. If it doesn’t need it, it’ll spit it out. Right? So you’re right. If you are worried about reducing the oxygen stress down to zero or negative, there’s a potential of doing that with the topic of virtual glutathione. And that’s why if you follow the recommended dose, then you’ll never ever ever have to worry about it. Because that’s that’s one of the first thing I did was try to figure out how much to give you, how often to give you, and how long can I give it to you before I can see the oxygen stress down going down to zero? Because zero, that means you have zero defense left on your body. Your body has to be in stress at all times at all times. You have to have some stress in your body by all time, right? And so, the topic of motion of gluotime can potentially get down to zero, and that’s that’s one of the reason why we tell you not to take over the recommended dose.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:42:21]:
But the question, better question is, what happens when it goes under zero, right? What happens then? If your oxygen stress doesn’t exist at all, what happens then? There’s four or five things that I have noticed, Right? One is easy, rash. Rashes itching all over the body. The body is going into some sort of reaction. Say, oh, this this is not right. This is how come I have no stress remaining? Right? And the differences goes down to zero as well. So the rash pop pops up. Besides the rash, I’ve seen something where there’s, severe stomach cramps and diarrhea. I’ve also noticed people have have headaches, intestinal headaches.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:42:58]:
I’ve also seen people with extreme fatigue. I I had, and that can happen initially when you first try because that’s the that’s a that’s a detox reaction, and that can also happen, like, a year later when if you have overdosed on the glucan product. Right? And so I have as I said, I have two versions of the of this product, regular version, which is the which is a re recommend to everybody, and a stronger version, which is a plus version, which is a lot which is a lot more stronger than it’s it’s like it’s on the high end normal of what your body needs are. And those needs are there for people that have severe issues where they’re like, if you’re in the if you’re in the fifties, sixties, or 70 and above, yes, your needs are pretty high. So you you can use the plus version, but in reality, the regular version is probably gonna be more than sufficient for, I would say, almost everybody. Right? So when in doubt, go slow go slow or or go the lower dose, don’t go the higher dose. And I understand that your audience may have a lot of money. They can be billionaires listening to us right now.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:44:06]:
I got plenty of business clients of mine that do that, and they ask me all the time. I said, hey. I’m a big guy. I’m six foot five. Do I need the plus version? I said, no. You just need the regular version. But is it is it gonna hurt me? Well, you’re just wasting money. I said, I got plenty of that.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:44:22]:
Anything else? I said, well, if you get overboard, you’re gonna get all the symptoms. So as long as I don’t get the symptoms, I’m okay. I said, yes. I I think so you’re gonna be okay. I’ve not done that kind of detail will kind of work yet. So, yes, I do have a lot of my athletes. They have a lot of money, and they will abuse well, they’ll they’ll do the plus portion because their needs are pretty high. But then later I found out this, all these all these people have also bad eating habits, drinking habits.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:44:49]:
And so maybe that’s one of the reasons why they’re taking high, high dosage as well. Anyways

Nick Urban [00:44:54]:
Yeah. I was gonna say the first thing to do is to check the sources, the main sources of oxidative stress, and it’s always gonna be most effective to minimize those if possible. And then only after you’ve eliminated the sources of the oxidative stress or at least reduce the unhealthy ones than to increase the dose?

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:45:11]:
Oh, the thing is, you know, this modern society, we have so we have come accustomed to so much conveniences that no matter what we do, we are not gonna get rid of all the oxy stress mark, the things that cause oxy stress in our body. It just it’s just not humanly possible anymore. Yes, hundred years ago, maybe, maybe, Right? We just we just had the first car developed maybe before that. Right? But today, it is absolutely impossible. That’s why the the the age where the oxygen stress is increasing for the first time the body cannot deal with it has dropped to about 30 now. So 30 and above, 30 and above, you’re gonna need, you need some help. And so I always say that, hey, do whatever it takes. Don’t blame your boss, don’t blame your spouse, don’t blame your kids, don’t blame your financing.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:46:04]:
This stress is real stress and is eating you from inside.

Nick Urban [00:46:08]:
As I understand it, there is something called the redox balance reduction, which is the opposite end of oxidation. And if you’re really crushing all the oxidative stress, you’re eliminating it, and you’re taking the body in the opposite direction, then you’re also, say, stacking on top with other antioxidants. You could potentially have an issue of going too far down the reduction side, not enough oxidation. Are you seeing that people have issues when they’re taking other antioxidants or products that have antioxidant actions alongside glutathione?

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:46:40]:
So that here’s here’s the beauty of this thing. Right? The other antioxidant supplementations that are out there, the body may or may not respond to that at all because it’s a it’s a physical thing. You have to come into physical contact. Right? Like, for example, if you see, a, a nail is rusting, Right? It’s a physical thing. It comes with a physical contact. You can repaint it and make it rust go away, but inside, it’s still rusting. You don’t see it anymore. It’s still rusting.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:47:12]:
Right? And so to hitting the process, something has to come into physical contact. And the only thing that works from inside out is glutathione. Everything else works from outside in. And so the outside in, we can we can be blocked off and can be not be useful. So I don’t see that as an issue, but the Glutathione alone itself can put you in the reductive state. It can. And that’s the reason why if and if that happens, you can have all these reactions. As soon as the reactions, slow it down.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:47:40]:
Slow it down. Right? If you’re using four sprays twice a day, combine it to two sprays twice a day. I’ll probably stop for a day or two. But you let your body, get stressed out again a little bit. Right? And it it doesn’t take much. It takes you four hours to get your body in stress again. It takes really fast because you’ve been breathing oxygen all the time. Right? If you stop breathing, it’s a whole different story.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:47:59]:
But if you see, if you’re breathing, you’re having oxygen in your body, you’ll you’ll come into stress immediately. So so I would say, wait for a day or two, bring it back to normal, reduce the dose down and see if we can keep it that way. Because my job is to keep your oxygen stress down to bare minimal, but never zero. Negative is what worse. But even zero is not good for you. So little stress is always good. It’s it’s always keeps the body in check.

Nick Urban [00:48:25]:
Well, because some of it also is really important for signaling, say, post exercise.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:48:30]:
Oh, absolutely. So all the things that we do so if you think about it, every medication, everything that you do as an athlete is you’re inducing stress. Everything you do, even cold plunge is inducing stress. Right? Everything that you do is inducing stress, and it’s a controlled stress, and you’re hoping that with a controlled stress, with a proper diet, with proper diet and nutrition, it’s that your body’s gonna take that stressors and build Fort Knox around it, Right? That’s that’s the hope you have. That is exactly the hope you have. But the same athlete in the twenties who is who is on top of the world, same workout routine at the age of 45. No. It’s gonna break apart.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:49:17]:
It’s gonna break apart because the body doesn’t have all the nutrients to deal with it. On top of that, lot of people body a lot of junk proteins over the time has accumulated all these junk proteins and the senescent cells are working well. There’s a lot of zombie cells that are creating this. There’s a lot of oxygen stress that is blocking all this all this, proinflammatory markers that do help you heal your body. Everything is blocked off. And so, yeah, you’re not you’re not getting any younger at the age of 45. Now if I have the help of gluten, if I can remove all those debris out, remove all the stressors out, and remove the oxy stress markers out, hey. You can.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:49:54]:
You really can get back in shape again. And I had a very famous NFL athlete in the in the forties as a quarterback, using this product. And, hey, all I tell is to everybody, if I can improve one season for you, if I can make you play one more season at the peak of your, career, that’s, like, $3,040,000,000 bucks for you guys. Right? It’s it’s easy for me. It’s easy for me to do that part to to show the finances what that cost is. But as as an average person, I’m not looking for this big payout. I’m looking for, I wanna live longer. But what you said earlier, it’s not just living in a nursing home.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:50:32]:
I wanna be climbing mountains or doing dirt bike or just skydiving or whatever whatever pleasure that brings you, I would do all those things.

Nick Urban [00:50:42]:
Yeah. And to be clear, although we’ve talked a lot about athletics and fitness and physical training, this applies equally to people who are using their mind to come up with big new ideas. I mean, chess grandmasters can burn 5,000, six thousand calories in a day just from working on the chessboard, not actually doing any physical activity. And whenever you increase energy demands and energy production, you’re gonna be creating more of the byproducts, like the cellular exhaust kind of thing, which is reactive oxygen species. So even then, if you’re not physically active, of course, it’s good to be physically active if you can. But even then, you’re gonna be at increased need for molecular assistance.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:51:24]:
Well, you bring a very good point. I’m so sorry that you did not address those issues because that is my thing. Right? I don’t exercise at all, but, my mind is going nuts because I’m always thinking about a lot of different things. And you’re right. Your brain is such a small or such a small piece. Right? 2% of your total body weight, but it consumes over 20% of all the oxygen that we breathe in, and it’s firing neurons like crazy. The oxygen stress in your brain is the highest in your whole body. And so you’re absolutely right.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:51:57]:
The reason of oxygen stress in your brain is the utmost first responsibility for us as a human being. As I said earlier, that’s one of the reason why we work with the NFL, neurosurgeons, because his goal is that, hey, I’m these young people with one hit on their head, and their brain is, like, full of stressors now. Right? And there’s nothing they can do to reduce their oxygen stress down. And when they saw a a sign that the gluathide, the toplicate motion is is actually getting into the brain, because they have again, you cannot do a blood test. For that, you have to do a, an MRI scan to, and and they have fifth they have a frequency of gluathide in your brain. If you can they they know exactly where the gluathard levels are rising. And when this first saw that part, oh my god. They couldn’t stop calling me right away.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:52:46]:
I said, oh my god. This is this is gonna be a game changer for us in the future because we now begin for the first time, we can figure out where the glen is to go, how fast we can get there, and then if what dose is gonna increase the levels over there. And if we can do that part, there’s a possibility in the future that we may have something to reduce our stress for ALS patients, Parkinson’s patients, Alzheimer’s, Huntington’s, I mean, concussion patients, PTSD patients. Are there so many different people that we can help? Because today, there’s no cure for any of those people.

Nick Urban [00:53:15]:
You mentioned one thing several times throughout. Actually, you alluded to it. I don’t know if you actually said what I was looking for you to say specifically. But I looked up before this interview also because I’ve been hearing and reading for the last couple years about how glutathione is no longer the master oxidant, and now there’s other antioxidants that are considered to be as important as glutathione. The big one that also can enter the subcellular space and help protect mitochondria and other organelles is melatonin. I’m sure you’ve heard that. But I’ve also come across other substances that are not endogenous antioxidants, things like, say, c 60 or molecular hydrogen. There’s a couple other things that seem to be getting more attention.

Nick Urban [00:53:56]:
What’s your take on those? Why do you think that, if you do, that, glutathione is still the king antioxidant?

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:54:05]:
So here’s the thing. It’s a very simple test. Right? And I’ve done this myself personally. You can dig hydrazylobomelatoid, c 60. What what else you said? Well, the third thing was molecular hydrogen. And I by the way, I have I have everything in my house. I have the hydrogen bottles. The one that, I was working I also worked with Gary Brecker, and so he was working with hydrogen waters.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:54:27]:
I have that. He gave it to me. I have the the c sixty from the company that makes c sixty. They they gave me a bunch of bottles for me to try it out as well. And I’m I have my own battery in my in my pharmacy. All three combined, and just use a glue just use a topical glue by itself, and you can tell the results instantaneously. So if you see the response if you see if you see a positive response with glutathione, stop that, and then take all three products combined together and see if you get the same exact results, duplicate the results. I can guarantee you it’s not gonna be happening.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:55:05]:
Now here’s the thing. So the c sixty CEO, right, she gave me her bottles of c sixty. I didn’t see results, but then she ends up buying my glutathione for the rest of her life right now. Right? And and so I always say that, yes, mother of all antioxidants is not about getting products into the system. It’s where it needs to be. Your highest autoxone stress is where? In the mitochondria. Mitochondrial aging is a real thing. If the glutathione if the c 60 enters the mitochondria, hey.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:55:41]:
Maybe maybe there’s a potential that it can do that part for us, but glutathione is the only one that gets there is, as of right now, that we know of. Right? So gluten is getting there, is helping reduce reduce the mitochondrial load or the or the toxicity that that’s killing the mitochondria. And if you can do that part, I mean, it’s by far, to me, still the best thing that we have. As I said earlier, you can combine all of them. Forget the c sixty hydrogen water and the melatonin. Combine them with vitamin c and vitamin e and all those. That’s just bucket number one. I put all those products in the bucket number one.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:56:18]:
Then on top of that, the bucket number two is your endogenous brush of all the enzymes. Those two combined, glutathione can still be better, antioxidant. And, and the thing is, it’s okay. Let let me see how can I prove it to you? Right? So we did a three day trial in at Western University School of Medicine in Pomona, California. The I’m also the adjunct faculty over there, so I teach at PASA over there. But, when I was talking about glutathione, and one of the researchers goes, you know, I’ll do a test for you really fast. I’ll give it to, like, 30 people, and we’ll figure out what the hell is is this doing through us. Right? I said, great.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:56:54]:
Let’s do it. Of course, because, it’s gonna take me a year to just go through IRB because we we are doing straight human trials. Right? Now we don’t do animal transfers. I said, okay. That’s okay. Whatever. You know? If you make excuses. I said, no.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:57:07]:
No. No. It’s real. I said, okay. So he said, if you really apply for the IRB approval, it take them almost nine months to get approval for the IRB, because we went straight to human trials, not we didn’t do animal studies. Right? Anyways, so we did the trial. They saw the reduction of of the MDA, which is the oxygen stress marker, in the first four hours. Boom.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:57:29]:
The level just dropped. Because when he saw the result in the first four hours, I said, okay. Wait a second. We have free more people. So this they what they do, they they drew the blood, infected the blood in the test tube with mycobacterium infection. I said, let’s see what the body does, because now the blood is outside, it’s not in the human body anymore, as everything inside inside the testing was everything’s in there. If I infect the blood with mycobacterium infection, does the body respond? Right? And so what they did was they took 30 patients, fifteen were taking the gluathione, fifteen were taking placebo. The people that did gluathione, within one hour, they saw a reduction in the mycobacterium load.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:58:11]:
The people with, no gluathione or the placebo, the load actually went up because they started multiplying. So there’s, like, a there’s a, like, a net decrease overall. It was and the and the research started cycling crazy. I said, wow. This how is this possible? Right? Gluten is not anti infective. Is it not an antimicrobial, anti anti fungal, nothing like that. So they had the test tube still. Three days later, they took the blood again and they measured all the cytokines.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:58:41]:
And then what they found out was the t cells went up, the the macrophages went up, the IL two, the IL 12, the interferon gamma, t f alpha, they’re all at the start is rising. That’s when they found out, okay, glutathione is just not a master antioxidant. It is master immuno it’s a master emulator. It gives you immune, immune system activator, conjugator. So we are we’re just the tip of the iceberg yet. We don’t even know what the glutathione does. We’ve for so far, we’ve so far, we know about antioxidant. We know about conjugation.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:59:15]:
Now we know we know it’s an immune modulator. What else? I don’t know yet.

Nick Urban [00:59:20]:
Yeah. What I was gonna say initially is, like, seeing a suppression of certain things isn’t always necessarily a good thing. Like, if you have a headache and you suppress that, you might get symptom relief, but then you might also be creating a more hospitable environment for the pathogens to thrive and to multiply. So it’s cool to hear that afterward you actually saw a net improvement to immune markers and immune cell types because in the absence of that, I’m not sure it would necessarily be a good thing, but to hear that it had both, like, the short term impact and then the longer term impact is really cool.

Dr. Nayan Patel [00:59:52]:
Yeah. Because the bacteria is is unwanted in in the human blood. So we have to get rid of it. But how? It’s not killing the bacteria. It’s the it’s your own immune system doing it. And that to me is like, if that’s true, well, you can bring any infection. I don’t care. I don’t care.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:00:10]:
You can give me bat viruses for that matter. Right? And if I can help the immune system get better, hey, you’ll you’ll try to fight it off because keep in mind, our body has everything in there. We have bacteria, fungus, protozoans, amoebas, everything is in there. They all live in a harmony. They all live in a harmony. It’s the because the body keeps everything in check. It’s when something is when the immune system just gets lowered, all of a sudden, every infection starts kicking in.

Nick Urban [01:00:40]:
So it sounds like your product is actually studied then, unlike most of the supplements Oh,

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:00:44]:
not yet.

Nick Urban [01:00:45]:
Glutathione products I’ve come across.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:00:47]:
As I said, it took me thirteen years to do the all my clinical trials. I published my book, The Gloothout Revolution. I published the book, and then I released the product to the public after urging, after the doctors are urging me, I said, hey, can you please make it made it accessible for the consumers to buy it? I said, what’s wrong with you? Keep on just keep on doing more trials. I said, he would trialed out of this whole game one day. And so, yeah, o seven is when we discovered it. Twenty twenty is when we, released the book, and 2021 is we released the product.

Nick Urban [01:01:18]:
I’m also curious. There are a lot of different ways to go in the limited time we have left. What if you could, like, rattle off some of the things that people are experiencing or the mechanisms that you find to be the most interesting? Because I can share some of the things I came across in my own research that made me raise an eyebrow, such as the beneficial impact that glutathione has on the metabolism of nitric oxide, the role it has on epigenetics and d m DNA methylation, mitochondrial integrity and biogenesis, improvements to exposure to radiation and EMF protection, gut micro gut and microbiome health, autophagy, protein folding in the endoplasmic reticulum, a lot of longevity stuff and general health related stuff. What else is there that I didn’t mention?

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:02:05]:
So these are all great, but average person is not gonna notice that right away. Right? They’re not gonna feel it. I said, oh, my endocrine reticulum is getting better. How do they don’t know what the hell that that is. Right? Oh, but the LDL SL levels are getting better. But, yeah, they may see that if the LDL SL levels goes up, that blood pressure goes down, so they may feel that. So I’ll go by feelings. Right? What do people feel in the first time they take taking the product? The first thing they feel is the high high energy.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:02:31]:
That’s the first thing by by far. The most important thing that people get is high energy. Second thing that most people get is the sleep better gets better. They’re sleeping deeper. They’re sleeping better. The the wake will refresh. The HRV is increasing. So that’s second thing that people notice all the time.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:02:47]:
If you have something of a bit that you’re using, you can measure those things out. The third thing that people notice is is, is, the fatigue is reduced. Right? With the energy increasing, not necessarily the energy is increasing, but you’re using the fatigue as well at the same time. Your excess tolerance are getting better. You’re actually it’s a secondary marker, but you feel lighter. You feel lighter. You know, I I have never gained weight in the last fifteen years. I just keeps on staying the same or maybe a couple of pounds dropper, couple of pounds, drop a couple of pounds.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:03:25]:
And over the last two years alone, I dropped another couple of pounds. Right? It’s not I’m trying to lose weight, but I’m dropping weight. I’m gaining more muscle mass right now, but at the same time, I’m dropping weight because that means my fat is really going down at this point. And I’m it’s it’s not a fat loss drug by itself, or at all. But what I’m saying is that it just keeps on improving it and improving and improving because at the end of the day, you have no idea how your body is regenerating completely back to normal. Right? We can measure every single thing, and the measure is always a lagging indicator because by the time that something goes out of range, it’s at least five or ten years down the road. But what you cannot measure is how your body is adjusting and recuperating and regenerating every single day. And so to me, that is more important today.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:04:13]:
And I’ve I’ve talked to so many functional doctors, that they do, oh, we we test you all 50 tests, a thousand tests, we do a brain scan, body scan, and if there’s something wrong, we’ll find it for you. Right? And I said, well, here’s the problem. You only find something when it’s wrong, but you cannot find when the body is actually getting to become out of control. And to me, that’s more important to me. Can I give the control back to the human body? Because guess what? Human body is a better doctor than all the doctors in the world. All the doctors. How do you get the control back to the human body? And for me, Gluten is one of the mediums that can do that because it’s an autologous peptide that will then be produced. We don’t we don’t produce c sixty.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:04:59]:
We don’t produce, a lot of others junk. Right? Melatonin is a great product, but it’s only produced at midnight. There’s a reason why they only produce it once a day and not all throughout the day.

Nick Urban [01:05:09]:
As you’re speaking, I’m thinking of certain populations that would do best. Sounds like it, first of all, would benefit everyone to some degree, but also, like, if you’re exercising really hard, you’re doing a lot of mental work. But then even if you’re losing fat, because when you lose fat, you’re gonna be liberating some toxins and heavy metals and stuff, and you’re also gonna be creating more reactive oxygen species. So So it might make sense to use glutathione there. Any other populations that stand of benefit and gain especially from it?

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:05:37]:
So here’s the thing. Every human being over the age of 40, I don’t care where they are or what they do, they’re gonna benefit them. Because that’s the old that’s that’s the time that I have found out is that your oxygen stress is actually higher, or your ability to to recuperate, regenerate completely has been lose has has been lost already. So over the age of 40, hundred and ten percent. Within 30 between 30 to 40 are people that are abusers of their body. I I I see that they are doing, exposing themselves to alcohol or toxicities in the environment or living in the in some some weird cities that have a lot of pollution in there, exposing self to excessive sunlight, whatever. I’m not here to judge anybody, but I’m just saying that if that’s if that’s you, then your need may start at the age of 30. Right? Below 30, I think more than likely, everybody has a ability to produce things on their own.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:06:35]:
Just just have a better habit. That’s all I can say. Just have a better habit.

Nick Urban [01:06:39]:
Awesome. And then lastly, are there any great natural sources or ways to increase glutathione? Because, like, of course, you can take cysteine, as we mentioned, or an n acetylcysteine. Anything else that moves a needle?

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:06:50]:
So for me is I’m not here to tell you what diet is the right diet for you because it’s worse than religion. It’s it’s very polarized. Right? So I just tell you, if you want to improve glutathione levels, you just need to consume cysteine rich foods. So your favorite AI robot, ask them and say, spit me off cysteine rich foods. They’re gonna give you vegan choices, vegetarian choices, carnivore, keto, paleo, vegetarian. I don’t care what it is. What about diet? You have you have plenty of choices in every single thing that you eat to have cysteine rich foods. Glycine and glutamine is abundantly found in the, in in your diet.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:07:27]:
So that that’s not an issue. Glutamine is something that I’m I’m staying away from it right now. We have found well, I’m I’m I’m working with a lot of researchers, and what they found out is that the glutamate is there’s a high concentration of glutamate in the brain. And so I’m worried about a glutamate getting concentrated in the brain. So that’s why sometimes cysteine is good to bind the glutamate and get getting rid of it and some of it. So consuming that food is a must. You cannot peel your way out. Right? You can’t just eat you just take pills and just make it, hey, obviously, it’s gonna be healthy.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:07:59]:
No. The food is is still important, so having that diet is a is a must for everybody.

Nick Urban [01:08:05]:
Okay. And really quickly, there’s a bunch of different ways of administering it. I’m sure you’ve tried a lot of them back in the viral days. I used some nebulized glutathione, and it seemed to work okay, but I didn’t feel the huge energy boost, that I mentioned with yours specifically. There’s the oral. I think it’s a reduced form. There’s liposomal. There’s probably, like, other forms too.

Nick Urban [01:08:28]:
Have you found anything else that’s even remotely effective?

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:08:31]:
None. I’ve made some positives. I used to make nebulous glutathione. As I said, one of the NFL athletes, very, very, very well known NFL athletes in the Super Bowl, multiple rings, used Nebula as good as for ten years. One month of topical version, it was a game over for him. It’s so it’s it’s it’s it’s that important, for that. I used to make suppositories. I used to make something called drops.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:08:53]:
I used to make eye drops, nose sprays. I’ve you name it, I’ve made it. Okay? I’ve worked with ophthalmologists that they used to make eye they will ask me to make, eye drops of glorified, which you made them. And I’m telling you, the one once the topical version, the way it works intracellularly, it’s it’s absolutely game over now.

Nick Urban [01:09:12]:
I considered trying using the reduced form because it’s so cheap online and then using some DMSO to drive it transdermally. But then I started thinking about it, and you’re also gonna be driving a lot of other things that you don’t want in those supplements transdermally. So I decided against it.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:09:24]:
Well, thing is just because inside your body doesn’t mean it’s inside your cells. Yeah. Yeah. You get injected blood that’s in your bloodstream. Doesn’t mean it’s getting inside yourself.

Nick Urban [01:09:33]:
Yeah. That’s That’s actually a lot of supplements too.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:09:36]:
That’s true for a lot of now you know why you don’t don’t take any pills. I take vitamin d once in a while. I do take probiotics once in a while if I if I’m out and about it, if I know what what my needs are gonna be. I take butane hydrochloride for acids and enzymes if if I eat some junk food and eat a lot of proteins and I need to break it down. So I do take some pills here and there, but it’s nothing, nothing on a regular basis, except for magnesium.

Nick Urban [01:10:01]:
Amazing. Nayan, if people wanna connect with you to check out your product, to try it themselves and see if they notice a difference, how do they go about that?

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:10:10]:
Well, it’s my website is AuroWellness, a u r 0 wellness Com. And of course, with the benefits of the wellness size, we also have the same product in our skin care too. It’s just oral wellness skin care. And so, you can try both of them out. It’s it’s really I I want people to at least give them one month shot at it. We do have a % money back guarantee, because I don’t want people to to say that, hey. This is a quick sale. No.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:10:37]:
This is not I’m looking for lifers. I’m looking for people that wanna improve their life forever, and I’m here to, for here for them for for them. We’re making sure that they get the product. They try it out. And if it works out great, amazing. If it doesn’t work out, I can assure you, you still got the benefit for the first thirty days, and we’ll we’ll we’ll be more than happy to offer refunds for every single day.

Nick Urban [01:11:00]:
Perfect. Yeah. Your team is going to set up a code for my audience. I believe we’re selling on urban. So if you guys use that, you’ll save on your order.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:11:08]:
Yes. And one more story I wanna share. I don’t know if you have that, but I I need a thirty seconds to one minute. I’ll share a story about about my dad because I wanna make people understand that I want you to live your life. I want you to enjoy your life. Right? And you feel the state. My dad at the age of 78 with type two diabetes for over thirty five, forty years, arthritis for thirty plus years, blood pressure issues, little bit on the heavier side, not nothing crazy. I did everything possible.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:11:38]:
I did some hormone replacement therapy, some testosterone therapy, and it weighed great as a middle, building muscle mass. But you know what? No. He didn’t do anything else. At the age of 78, he had a mild little he was having some chest pains. He wasn’t sure what the hell what what was going on. We went to the doctor. We did the angiograph, and, of course, his main artery is a % blocked. Oh my god.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:12:00]:
You survived. He didn’t die. Okay? He didn’t die. So they put a stent in there. Of course, they give a whole bunch of medications to leave, but doctor did not want to leave, with taking medications. I said, hey, get a because I he had no cholesterol issues, and why did he get a statin drug? So he didn’t want a cholesterol pill. I said, dad, you don’t have cholesterol. What you have is inflammation.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:12:19]:
You have inflammation. You have other issues that cause this problem. And so about that time, it was three years into my research, he was patient number one to use the glutathione product. Until I tell you, I’ve tried everything on him, right? The co q ten, vitamin e, vitamin d three, magnesium, everything was on on him. Testosterone replacement therapy, everything was taken, every single thing. Only thing that I add add for him at the age of 78 was glutathione. Alright? Fast forward. Two, three years goes by.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:12:52]:
I forgot about him taking the product like everything else. Right? I I was I I visited him one day at his dinner table. He was he was pounding on sugars and carbs. I said, dad, you’re diabetic. What the hell are you doing? I said, oh, no. No. No. My my sugar’s under control.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:13:06]:
I said, wait a second. Give me a phone. I looked at his blood record records out and said, oh my god. He’s a one c. He’s under five point seven. He’s been normal for almost a year and a half now. This is this is unusual. I said, are you still taking your pills for diabetes? I said, no.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:13:19]:
I’m just taking one pill now. I take I drop all the pills away. It’s been a it’s about a year after just took all my pills away. I said, okay. Alright. This this this is interesting. I had no idea that this is gonna be helping with diabetes that that fast. Alright? And then I didn’t pay attention.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:13:36]:
I was, you know, I was still dealing with it, giving giving the product to him and just moving on. He started traveling. He started walking inside of the world. And so I asked him, I said, hey, dad. I know you’re eating your foods unhealthily, but make sure you walk every single day. Because walk? Here’s the phone again. Health app. Check it out.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:13:55]:
He walked six miles a day every day for the last six months or plus. I said, wait a second. Dad, you have arthritis. I have no pain anymore. No pain. I says, okay. This is very interesting now. Right? About the time, we were taking some trips to Hawaii and Costa Rica, and just hiking trips and adventure trips, and my dad used to come there, and every trip he’ll come with us.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:14:18]:
I said, I I will be with the family the whole time, and then he’ll join us with on the trips. We went to Yosemite National Park for a hiking trip, he was there, and he went to Hawaii, he was there with us, he went to anywhere we wanted, then he went on his own and went on his own to Australia, New Zealand, went to Glacier Mountain over there, went to Alaska and enjoyed life over there. Every year he goes to India and Africa traveling. I said, dad, I mean, he was literally living his life. Right? Couple of years goes by, and now his hip is bothering him. And so, he says, you know what? My knees are I I I’m not walking straight. I said, let’s go to doctors. I saw the knee x rays.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:14:56]:
Well, of course, arthritis was completely deformed. And he goes, oh my god. And you have no pain? I said, nope. There’s no pain. I said, well, here’s both knee replaced. So how about we do one right now and one six months later? And the the my dad goes, no. God, no. And and be one year in pain at this age? I don’t have a year left.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:15:13]:
Right? Both at the same time. Both knees. And the doctor goes, oh, I don’t know. I said, are you sure? You wanna do both knees? I said, of course, against the doctor’s advice, he wanted to do both at the same time. So he did it. Literally two days later after knee replacement surgery, he walked out of the hospital. So that was amazing for me to see that part. Thirty days later, he was doing a painful, right, physical therapy.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:15:37]:
He was doing physical therapy and somebody was coming down, and three months later, he goes to the doctor’s office and say, hey. Check check check me. I make sure everything’s okay. I said, oh, you know, everything is great. I’m here. You’re healing really, really fast. Normally, it takes six months for you to get to the stage over here, but you already it looks like you’re healing very fast. I said, great.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:15:54]:
That’s why I wanted to hear because in next week, I’m going to India. Three And A Half Months later, he was traveling again. Right? Traveling. He went to we’re from Africa, so he was in Africa. He went to India traveling. Due to COVID time, he was there the whole time traveling everywhere. That was the that was the best travel time because everything was cheap, it was nobody at the airport, it was just the best time of his life. He was just he traveled everywhere.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:16:23]:
Fast forward last year, he was still in India traveling at, his house by the ocean in south southern part of India. My mom passed away twenty five years ago, so he’s by himself. So he cooks he doesn’t cook much, but he just eats out and just and just does everything on his own. Gracie can get some groceries and cut some apples and fruits like that, but eating out is on his own. Street food. I said, dad, why are you eating street foods? Right? Because he get loose bowel movements, and I said, dad, just eat regular restaurant foods, you know? So just make sure you don’t do stupid things. Of course, dehydration, boom. Next morning, the shower falls down.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:17:01]:
Falls down. Break your skull. Right? But at the hospital, he calls and say, hey, I’m fine. I’m coherent. I mean, I can talk to him. No memory loss. Nothing. I know the doctor at NFL neurosurgeon.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:17:12]:
I call him right now. I said, oh my god. Doctor so and so. I said, I my dad just filed out in India. He says, oh, you know, that let’s see. Is he talking? Is he coherent? Does he have memory issues? Nope. He’s for he has no memory issues. He’s talking perfectly fine, and he’s absolutely coherent.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:17:26]:
There’s no slur. I said, okay. Awesome. Don’t do it. Do not open. Do not do surgery. Nothing. Okay? Two hours later, there was somebody visiting here in my den in in in India.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:17:36]:
He arranged somebody to go see him. He calls us, says, hey. I’m with your dad right now. He seems to be okay. He’s coherent. He’s there’s bleeding internally happening right now, but he’s there’s no memory loss. He he knows everything. Everything’s going on right now, and there’s no pain.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:17:51]:
I said, awesome. Perfect. My dad goes, see, I told him. I’ll be fine. Don’t worry. Don’t worry. I’ll be back. I’ve I’ve my flight’s already booked for the next two weeks, so I’ll be spending about ten days over here, and then I’ll be back in two weeks.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:18:04]:
I’ll be back home. Okay? Don’t worry. Calls his brother, calls his sister, talks to everybody, and it was already getting too late at night time, so he goes to sleep. And that was the last day, you know, wakes up again. And so the the reason I tell this story, if you’re in the position where you think that you have that you have outlived your life, and now you have diseases, and that you’re just waiting for somebody to come pick you up on a golden chariot. Guess what? You can make your own golden chariot right now. You can still live again. The last ten years, my dad, I think he took almost 13 trips, 12 or 13 trips, right, And, that’s international trips.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:18:48]:
He also took, he also took, local trips. Right? He did everything possible to actually live his life. And so my urge to everybody is that if you stop living, please don’t. There’s a you’re still not dead. Take a chance. Do something good for you. Right? I had a customer that is bedridden for almost eighteen months. I said, that’s not living life.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:19:18]:
I said, the wife calls me, I said, my my husband’s bedridden, and I don’t know what to do with it. I said, well, there’s nothing to lose. Just try it out. See if he can get up. If he can get up in three days and start walking, hey, go have a coffee with him. Go go go go to the store in the park if you have to. Right? And that’s my urge to everybody. And so anyways, thanks for listening to my story.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:19:41]:
I I thank you for your time. I wanna make sure that people get to hear my story because it’s not about the product. It’s about what it does for you. What it what you can achieve from it is more important to me than the product itself.

Nick Urban [01:19:54]:
It’s beautiful too because it’s so empowering to see someone in his state or their states and not accept their current conditions, their current circumstances as fatalistic as, like, the end as it very easily could have been for them if they had chose to adopt that belief, that stance, and they looked for clues that would affirm that in their existence. It’s so cool to hear what everyone’s capable of if they open their mind to it and they use some tools along the way.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:20:24]:
Well, the other thing is that that your body is so resilient. Little bit of hope, and it’ll just grabs on to starts repairing itself. To me, that is such a such a powerful organ. We such a powerful, body we have, and we are we are clogging with some pharmaceuticals. I’m sorry. I’m I’m I’m with the pharmaceutical behavior as well myself. And I I just see that there’s such a huge potential for the body to just self regulate, and we’re just clouding it down. Anyways

Nick Urban [01:20:52]:
Now there’s a book called Bioregulatory Medicine, and it’s all about, like, getting out of the body’s way and letting it return to balance itself because the body has all the healing. And we can help help that process, but it’s ultimately the body the body that’s making those decisions. So if you guys wanna learn more about the science of glutathione, you can pick up his book called Oh,

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:21:11]:
you’ve been a good one?

Nick Urban [01:21:12]:
Revolution. Yes. I do.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:21:14]:
Thank you.

Nick Urban [01:21:14]:
Nayan Patel, it’s been a pleasure hosting you on the podcast today. Thank you so much for your time, your good stories, and your knowledge of all things glutathione science.

Dr. Nayan Patel [01:21:25]:
Thank you so much. Thank you.

Nick Urban [01:21:26]:
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