The #1 Reason Your Diet Doesn’t Work: Metabolic Typing Explained (Acidic vs Alkaline, Adrenal vs Thyroid, Blood Type Diets)

Nick Urban [00:00:07]:
Are you a high performer, obsessed with growth, and looking for an edge? Welcome to MINDBODY Peak Performance. Together, we’ll discover underground secrets to unlocking the full potential of your mind, body, and spirit. We’ll learn from some of the world’s leading minds, from ancient wisdom to cutting edge tools and everything in between. This is your host, Nick Urban. Enjoy the episode. Have you ever wondered why 1 diet works wonders for certain people and absolutely trashes others. Or perhaps a supplement or a drug works great for your friend, maybe caffeine, yet even if you take it first thing in the morning, it keeps you up all night and just doesn’t seem to be compatible with your biology. There are a ton of different lenses that you could examine this through, namely genetics, epigenetics, your constitution.

Nick Urban [00:01:06]:
But today, we’re talking about a concept called metabolic typing. In essence, this is the concept of bio individuality. And if you want an excellent resource on this, I suggest you check out a book called biochemical individuality by doctor Roger Williams. He breaks down the differences from 1 person to the next and why the customization route is really the only way to go if you wanna be fully optimized. Today, we’re exploring an easier way to understand this and to make actionable changes that align with your biology through a system called metabolic typing. In this episode, you’ll learn the major categorizations of humans into several distinct buckets. We discuss daily health practices and routines that cater to individual metabolic types for optimal wellness. We explore eastern medicine insights like the Ayurvedic doshas and how they align with metabolic typing.

Nick Urban [00:02:08]:
Our guest also shares how your blood type may influence what foods work best for you. Then we get into how to tailor your supplement routine accordingly based on your metabolic type as well as some other health tools you can use to get a snapshot of your current state and to further apply metabolic typing into your life, things like kinesio testing and the AO scan, for example. Our guest this week is Martin Patella. He’s a functional medicine expert and metabolic typing coach whose mission is to restore vitality to you and the planet. With over 12000 clients coached since 2011 and over 60000 students enrolled in his Udemy courses, Martin has a wealth of knowledge to share on topics such as healing trauma, managing stress and anxiety, emotions, spirituality, weight loss, metabolism, longevity, mindfulness, gut health, and overall health. You can grab the show notes for this episode at mindbodypeak.com slash the number 94. At 1 in the interview, I also mentioned that taking supplements is no longer optional. If you wanna understand why I say that, I will put a link to my article in the show notes for this episode.

Nick Urban [00:03:30]:
And if you wanna check out our guest’s work, his products, his supplements, his super foods, you can find those on his website at life-enthusiast.com. Alright. Ladies and gentlemen, sit back, relax, and enjoy this episode. Martin, welcome to the podcast.

Martin Pytela [00:03:48]:
It’s a pleasure, really, actually honored. You’ve done a lot of good work.

Nick Urban [00:03:53]:
Thank you. Likewise. And I’m excited today. We’ll be discussing metabolic typing and some of the overlooked pillars of overall health and wellness and performance. But first, before we get started, what have you done so far for your health, your performance, and your bio harmony today?

Martin Pytela [00:04:11]:
Okay. Well, today, I spent twenty minutes on my rebounder. I did a bunch of push ups and claps and jacks, and, and I just finished a smoothie that was loaded with a whole lot of wonderful things. I’m actually involved in manufacturing of superfoods, so it’s way up there.

Nick Urban [00:04:31]:
What are some of the superfoods you have in your smoothie?

Martin Pytela [00:04:34]:
Okay. Well, so this 1 had, hemp seed, hemp protein, chlorella, a 250 ingredient mix called iridescent. There was some maca, blueberries, a couple of it, spoonful of coconut oil, 2 spoonfuls of lecithin. I don’t know. It’s I’m I’m out a third in into the list. It’s a it’s a busy thing.

Nick Urban [00:04:57]:
How do you decide what you’re gonna have? Is it the same thing every day, or do you switch it up?

Martin Pytela [00:05:01]:
I switch it up. Well, you know, metabolic typing. I need to eat to my type. Right? My wife is very different from me. She eats very differently from myself. So for me, the best thing I can do for me is to have some carby things because they’re calming to me. So when I want to just settle down and have better balance, I need to push the starchy things. So I had a whole apple in it.

Martin Pytela [00:05:31]:
And, anyway, it’s it’s it’s a variety of things. Let’s unpack it in a longer longer way than just Martin’s smoothing because that really is an untypical thing.

Nick Urban [00:05:43]:
Yes. Exactly. That’s what I was gonna say because I first came across the idea, the concept of metabolic typing through a book called Biochemical Individuality. And that really elegantly portrays how we are as different on the inside as we are on the outside. And then as I came across some of the traditional Chinese medicine and Ayurveda, they had their forms of metabolic typing five thousand or more years ago, And it was really pivotal to the whole success of their system. And it’s like the way I describe it is we have different, like, archetypes, like different categories that we fall into. There’s a couple of dominant ones. And certain foods, there’ll be super foods to you or really healthy foods for to you might not be that way to me based on constitution, genetics, epigenetics, a lot of different factors.

Nick Urban [00:06:30]:
How do you describe the world of metabolic typing?

Martin Pytela [00:06:33]:
Well, so the East Indian Ayurvedic doshas, they certainly have a lot to do with it. You know, 1 is calmed down by starches. The other 1 is stimulated by starches. 1 is calmed down by fats. The other 1 is stimulated by fats. Interestingly enough, the fellow that put this together, Bill Walcott, standing on shoulders of giants, really. Right? There are pre prior research that was showing that some people would be alkalized by carbohydrates and acidified by fats and proteins. And you see a lot of literature that talks about drink carrot juice and proteins will make you acidic, don’t do that kind of thing.

Martin Pytela [00:07:13]:
And that holds true for the group that we call autonomic dominant. But the oxidizer dominant is completely reversed. Same way as you would be left handed or right handed dominant, you will be if you’re oxidizer dominant, the thing is reversed. And you’re acidified by carbs and they’re alkalized by fats and proteins. I should explain what that means. When you are balanced, you have a lot of choices. When you’re in the sweet spot in the middle, somewhere around 7.35, 7 point 4 5 on the pH scale. So the normal, the center for us humans, isn’t at 7 at the balance point.

Martin Pytela [00:07:52]:
It’s slightly off to the alkaline side.

Nick Urban [00:07:55]:
When you say that, you’re talking about the overall averages throughout the body because there’s obviously certain organs that are gonna be more acidic. And if they’re not acidic, it’s gonna be unhealthy and vice versa.

Martin Pytela [00:08:03]:
Mhmm. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. We can get into that too. So the blood is maintained at around 7.35. So as you drift into alkalinity, first thing you notice is you get up later. You procrastinate.

Martin Pytela [00:08:18]:
You’re jovial and friendly and nice to get along with and all that. But if you keep pushing toward alkalinity, you will become hopeless or despondent or dark moods set in, and depression lives on the alkaline side. And the acidic, acidic person will wake up early, feels like in second or third gear, just good to go right now. Lights on. Doesn’t dawdle at all. And then if you push in further into acidity, you start losing social graces, interrupting others, cutting in, elbows, get out of my way, cutting into traffic, and then then anger kicks in. Road rage would be a fine example of fairly acidic drift, but that’s externally expressed. If you turn it inward, you end up with anxiety.

Martin Pytela [00:09:12]:
You will be processing your past, reliving all the things you should have done differently or shouldn’t have done at all or whatever, or you’ll be, catastrophizing your future, just imagining all the awful things that will happen. If, then, what? Anyway, that’s that lives on the acidic side. So you can actually swing back and forth. It depends what you do with your food. So you can actually go bipolar just by eating incorrectly. So here’s what happens. If you’re the oxidizer, you’re made calmer by fats and proteins. If you’re the fast oxidizer, you woke up early full of VIM, but you’ll be a jackass if you don’t start pushing some fats.

Martin Pytela [00:09:58]:
So you’re a perfect candidate for the keto diet, like a, you know, 3 egg breakfast with a bunch of bacon on top kind of thing. Whereas if you’re a slow oxidizer, you’re on the other side. You’re waking up alkaline, and the way to dig out of that is with starchy things. So you should give yourself a fruit salad for breakfast or something starchy to start. Otherwise, you’ll never get anything done. So that’s that’s an example of that. Right?

Nick Urban [00:10:27]:
Interesting. And then there’s a subset of people that are somewhere in the middle of the 2, I’m guessing?

Martin Pytela [00:10:32]:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. So everything’s a continuum. Right? You can be extremely fast oxidizer, extremely slow oxidizer, or extremely sympathetic, or extremely parasympathetic. And so this axis is does well on a keto diet, and this axis does not. Right? So the sympathetic and slow oxidizer make a better vegetarian, but don’t do terribly well, on on pushing the fats.

Martin Pytela [00:11:06]:
So for some of us, the keto diet is absolutely wonderful, and for some of us, it’s not. Yeah. So that’s that’s the that’s the metabolic typing.

Nick Urban [00:11:17]:
And then with that also, I mean, are these just different labels applying to the same thing? Like, if I was to say a parasympathetic dominant person versus a sympathetic dominant person, is that encapsulating the same idea?

Martin Pytela [00:11:28]:
Okay. So those both both of those are dominant in the regulatory or autonomic nervous system. They’re called autonomics. And, so one’s on the acidic extreme, the other one’s on the alkaline extreme. And they well, it’s like a vector. Right? So for for the autonomic dominant, the vector that pushes to alkalinity is carbohydrate and the vector that pushes to acidity is fats and protein. So if you are parasympathetic, you’re raking up alkaline and your way to get yourself less depressed, which you should be, is fats and proteins. So you’re a candidate for a keto diet breakfast.

Martin Pytela [00:12:12]:
If you screw up and have a couple shots of whiskey with bananas, you’re going to be so depressed you will want to take your life. So if you were to guess, Ernest Hemingway probably was a parasympathetic dominant. The more he drank, the more despondent he became until he finally ended it.

Nick Urban [00:12:29]:
Then on the other end of the continuum, if you were the sympathetic dominant, you’d not wanna start your day with the protein and fats, rather something on the carbohydrate side?

Martin Pytela [00:12:39]:
That’s correct. Yep. Fruit salad for you. Otherwise, you’ll be biting people’s heads off.

Nick Urban [00:12:45]:
With the Ayurvedic system of doshas and the pitta is like the hot, aggressive, fiery, sympathetic dominant equivalent, and it seems it’s the same there too. It’s like where you wanna bring your body back into balance. And if you’re hot, obviously, what you’re the antidote to excess heat is gonna be cooling.

Martin Pytela [00:13:02]:
Yes. Precisely. And then the, Kapha dominant will need to be fired up with some kind of a lighter fuel. Right?

Nick Urban [00:13:09]:
Does this apply to things outside of food as well? Like, for example, caffeine and coffee for the pitha, the the sympathetic dominant that’s gonna take it’s gonna add more?

Martin Pytela [00:13:19]:
So in in the metabolic typing, universe as we have it, we have 2 layers. 1 answers the acid alkaline balance. And the other 1 talks about the endocrine dominance of which we have, thyroid, adrenal, pituitary, and in women, also ovarian dominant. And here’s the interesting thing. So the thyroid dominant, I’m an example of that, is is a, they make good sprinters. They don’t make good weightlifters. On a football team, the quarter quarterback will be thyroid dominant and the linebacker will be adrenal dominant. The adrenal dominant ones have thick wrists, thick thighs, thick ankles.

Martin Pytela [00:14:03]:
When they put on mass, it’s all over. They’re barrel shaped. Whereas the, thyroid type is flat chested and skinny arms, skinny legs. And if the thyroid type gains weight, it’s right on the belly, belly and hips. So it’s the apple shape. And then the, pituitary dominant, they put on weight blubbery, like doughboy, Pillsbury doughboy, cabbage patch doll. The ankles are as fat as the knee, as the thigh. You know? Just, well, they’re less common, but you find them.

Martin Pytela [00:14:37]:
And then in women, women can get their over ovaries stimulated by hot food, as in, like, hot Thai or hot Indian or hot something food. And that pushes estrogen and that accentuates the secondary characteristics. So bigger hips, bigger tush, all of that. It’s the Kardashian model of life.

Nick Urban [00:15:00]:
So if you have 1 of those dominances, say you have pituitary dominance, are you going to see increased activity in that gland? Like, if I measure their growth hormone, am I gonna see more? Or if I measure the thyroid hormone levels in someone who’s thyroid dominant, am I gonna see, like, increased, like, perhaps even out of range markers? Or is it kind of just like a looser characteristic?

Martin Pytela [00:15:20]:
The the 1 I’m really familiar with is is the thyroid because I’m that. And my thyroid is challenged. So I have to push iodine. I have to really be careful with, with, pureed, with red meats. For so for example, the thyroid dominant people do well on, white meats like turkey, chicken, fish, that sort of thing. Not sardine and not bison. Like, if I overdo, and I did, if I overdo red meat, I get me gout. So thyroid types don’t like a lot of that.

Martin Pytela [00:15:57]:
Whereas for the pituitary dominant, the organ meats organ meats, heart, tongue, liver, all of that, are the health food. That’s their home base. Whereas they’ll be tempted by creamy, fluffy things like ice cream and whipping cream and that sort of thing. The thyroid, like me, we’re tempted by starchy things like, cakes and donuts and cookies and potato chips and popcorn, all the carbon stuff, but that’s exactly how we gain weight. So I have to keep very narrow band. See, like, I I was mentioning in our earlier talk, I can be happy on carbs. Very calm, very balanced, but I’ll be gaining weight. So I have to moderate my carb intake to the level where I’m not a jackass, but not so much that I put on weight.

Martin Pytela [00:16:55]:
So for me, the weight loss diet would be keto, but if I overdo it, personally, I’d be miserable. So if we the the adrenal dominant, those people are tempted by savory foods, and they gain weight with fat. So you put somebody who’s the adrenal type on a keto diet, he’ll be actually putting on weight. Weight loss diet for them is salads, fruit salads, and stuff like that.

Nick Urban [00:17:20]:
So when you say you’re taking iodine, it sounds like your thyroid levels would not be out of the reference range high necessarily. Perhaps it’s just they’re under the reference range. And so you’re doing things to bring your thyroid back into optimal levels.

Martin Pytela [00:17:32]:
Yeah. I need yeah. I need support.

Nick Urban [00:17:34]:
Gotcha.

Martin Pytela [00:17:35]:
But I don’t know I don’t know enough to answer it for everybody.

Nick Urban [00:17:39]:
Yeah. Yeah. Those are the areas potentially of the body that need extra attention. And you wanna bring those back into balance however you can in a healthy way.

Martin Pytela [00:17:48]:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can find health. And it’s the biological individuality. That’s for sure.

Nick Urban [00:17:55]:
Yeah. Okay. And then how would you see this show up on your genetics? Would you see like, when I look at my genetics, I I do, according to the reports, really well with higher carbohydrates than usual. And I don’t know if that’s because I’m like the thyroid type that needs that extra carbohydrate to pacify to bring them back into balance.

Martin Pytela [00:18:14]:
Alright. Well, you look thyroid type, I think, by the part of you that I see. Well, there’s more to it. Right? I would have to can you can you put your fingers around your wrist? Can you wrap your hand around your wrist is the question. Easily. Right? Almost easily.

Nick Urban [00:18:33]:
Barely. Yeah.

Martin Pytela [00:18:34]:
You’re you’re thyroid type with some adrenal, plus, of course, you’ve been working out. So you’re a little you’re a little

Nick Urban [00:18:42]:
Yeah. I was gonna ask you, does that change? Because when I was younger, I used to be the kind that definitely the sprinter type where I could not put on weight. I tried really hard, ate a ton, ate weight 1 of my friends, had the mask gaining shakes and everything. And I feel like I’ve changed over time. I now have I’m much more broad and filled out than I was back then.

Martin Pytela [00:19:03]:
I would say that the thyroid type will have a hard time putting on muscle, and the adrenal will have a very easy time putting on muscle. So

Nick Urban [00:19:12]:
But does it change, though? Can you go from a thyroid type when you’re younger to an adrenal type when you’re older?

Martin Pytela [00:19:17]:
It’s genetic. It shouldn’t shift a whole lot. Well, there there are variances. Right? Like, your epigenetics are shifting. You’re messing around with your regulators and who knows what else. So you’re you’re now doing all the things that would make you look like Atlas as opposed to Willow and Twig. Right?

Nick Urban [00:19:37]:
Yeah. Okay.

Martin Pytela [00:19:38]:
Okay. So there’s 1 more thing to be said, and that’s the blood type. Right? The blood type o, a, b, and a, b. And what you have there is that the blood type o’s are the original hunters, so they have a much easier time with, the hunter diet, whereas, they do terribly on grains and dairy. It’s just no no for them. The a’s are the farmers. They they make much better vegetarians, if anything. The bees are interesting.

Martin Pytela [00:20:13]:
They’re from around the Mediterranean, and, they do terribly on pork and shrimp or let’s so it made it all the way into the old testament where they are saying do not eat pork and do not eat bottom feeder fish. That’s specifically written for the blood type b’s.

Nick Urban [00:20:32]:
Interesting. Yeah. Is there any validation into this? Like, have there been any larger scale studies until, like, okay, this blood type does better with this type of diet or avoiding these types of foods?

Martin Pytela [00:20:42]:
Oh, yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. There’s there’s even an app. You can go look it up, eat right for your blood type by the Adamo. You can download it in your phone and just see what you do when you eat against your type as opposed to with your type. Like, I can promise you, for example, myself, if I eat lamb or beef or something like that, I’ll be sleeping through the night. No problem.

Martin Pytela [00:21:07]:
If I eat chicken, I can promise you that there’s enough histamine that I’ll have to get up to go pee in the morning. There’s there’s definitely something to be said on that.

Nick Urban [00:21:15]:
What’s really interesting about all this too is that, like, yeah, there might be a lot of evidence, like anecdotal evidence that people are getting good results from doing these things. We might not necessarily know it’s the histamine that’s causing the issue with certain people. But then eventually, in five years, ten years, twenty years, the science comes around and elucidates the exact mechanisms that are causing this.

Martin Pytela [00:21:35]:
Yeah. Well, you know, I I catch people when they are calling for help. So this is now stiffness on rising. My level of inflammation has reached to the point where it takes me 5 steps when I stand up from my armchair to straighten out fully. Right? I’m not talking about me. I’m talking about the clients who are eating against their type, and they are inflamed just enough that they are still operating, but not well. You know? This this book, you can pick it up anywhere you want. It’s right for your blood type, Peter the animal.

Martin Pytela [00:22:10]:
And so when you open it, you know, it says, okay. What do you want to eat today? So if you are blood state b, highly beneficial vegetables will include beets, broccoli, cabbage, kale, peppers, greens, jalapenos. And the avoid would be artichoke, avocado, corn, olives. I I’m a b. I I’m on both. Don’t eat a. Don’t eat b.

Nick Urban [00:22:40]:
Is that how it works? So if you’re both, then you follow so, like, the things that you should eat, you eat you can eat either of those or only the things that appear on both lists?

Martin Pytela [00:22:49]:
Yeah. This thing only answers what doesn’t do well. I I know what my worst choices are. You know, there are so many times when I say, and eat it anyway. You know? I I just read that olives are not great for me. Well, could be. I mean, I consume a lot of olive oil. So there are definitely ways to figure it out.

Martin Pytela [00:23:10]:
Right? And if you have a guide, you can start paying attention.

Nick Urban [00:23:14]:
1 of the things I notice is that people have a hard time knowing what foods they do well with and what they don’t do well with. And once you become more sensitive to the changes going on inside your body, it becomes easier just to know, okay, that food did not sit well with me. But sometimes, especially when you’re getting started, it’s really difficult to do that. How do you recommend people determine if foods are doing well in their unique body? Are there any symptoms you look for?

Martin Pytela [00:23:40]:
1 of the quick ways would be the heart rate reaction. Right? So you you sit yourself down at your table and you check your heart rate. So let’s just say your resting heart rate is 72 or some number like that. Then you’re going to pick onions, put it in your mouth, and thirty seconds later, check your heart rate. If it jumps up a whole bunch, your body is getting somewhat excited about it, not in a good way.

Nick Urban [00:24:07]:
A whole bunch being, like, 10 beats per minute, 40 beats per minute? 10. Okay. No.

Martin Pytela [00:24:12]:

10. Ten’s enough to indicate.

Nick Urban [00:24:15]:
And if a food is compatible with you, would you see the heart rate decrease or it just stay the same?

Martin Pytela [00:24:20]:
No. The decrease would be that it’s depressing. Right? So there there may be foods that are actually pulling you down. I don’t I don’t know if this is %. I mean, my my number 1 thing is muscle testing. I go with that all the time. I use I mean, to to demonstrate, this would be a quick little loop between your thumb and your pinky, and then you just test the resistance. And on a truthful statement, my name is Martin.

Martin Pytela [00:24:49]:
It holds. My name is Charlie. It doesn’t hold. Right? And so, cucumber is great for me for me? Yes. Bell pepper is great for me? No. Right? And I am sensitive to all the nightshades, so I can have potatoes once a week. Twice a week, I heard. 3 times a week, I hobble.

Nick Urban [00:25:11]:
Anyone who wants to explore that topic deeper, they can look up muscle testing or kinesio testing or duck bill testing on YouTube and figure out how exactly it works. As I recall, I think it’s working with your subconscious where you’ve infinitely not infinitely, but close to infinitely more information and processing power than you do in your conscious mind.

Martin Pytela [00:25:29]:
Actually, you’re connecting to the universal field of potentiality or the universal field of consciousness out there. So you can ask anything. Like, I amuse myself by watching the news on TV and saying this man is lying. This man knows he’s lying. This man doesn’t know he’s lying. It’s really interesting because sometimes you have these people who are telling lies, but they just believe them. It’s wise for me to stay living in the town I’m in, or it’s wise for me to move to Texas, or whatever you want to say. Right? Like, the universal field of consciousness will provide you the answer.

Nick Urban [00:26:05]:
Are Are there things that obstruct that? Like, I’m wearing a smartwatch. The Bluetooth is off. It’s in airplane mode, but I’d assume that there’s still some kind of electrical current that’s gonna disrupt that microcurrent of electricity.

Martin Pytela [00:26:16]:
Yeah. Probably. So you

Nick Urban [00:26:17]:
wanna take it off first?

Martin Pytela [00:26:19]:
Perhaps. I don’t know. Maybe maybe when it’s on always, you will still get the answer consistently because you’re consistently affected. I use something called AOScan, which is another remote management system. It’s downloadable into the phone, and you can talk to it, ask it to scan you.

Nick Urban [00:26:38]:
I’m curious about that really quickly. What technology is that using? AOScan?

Martin Pytela [00:26:42]:
Yeah. AOScan company is called SolEx, s o l e x. And it’s it’s based on some old Russian stuff that they developed when they needed to communicate with, people up there in the space station. What they needed to do is be able to scan them and know how they are doing. It’s it’s a stimulus and response system. They send you a digital stimulus and then listen to how your body’s responding to it. And so they can send me onion digital onion. Right? And my body responds to it with I like, I don’t like.

Martin Pytela [00:27:14]:
And it’s it upregulates you into inflammatory or downregulates you into suppressed. And so what you want is you want the middle, and you don’t want to be over or under energized on your meridians, your chakras, your, organs,

Nick Urban [00:27:31]:
all the stuff. Centers, whatever you wanna call them. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. It sounds like it’s a high-tech secret technology developed by the Russians that is approximating or perhaps more precisely giving the same or similar results as muscle testing?

Martin Pytela [00:27:46]:
Uh-huh. You know, a good traditional Chinese practitioner who knows how to do pulses will have the same set of data but it’s a lot of efforts to learn it. Right? Whereas here, I just pay them hundred and $50 a month for infinite number of tests, and I can just meet my buddy and my dog and my horse, all of them.

Nick Urban [00:28:09]:
It’s cool. There’s multiple different avenues here. Back to the metabolic typing though, because that’s what I wanna focus on. There’s a lot of factors that go into this. How do you know that when you’re working with someone or if someone is looking into their metabolic type, that they get it right? Because you mentioned you have to decide you have to figure out whether you’re parasympathetic or sympathetic. I think you called it acid or alkaline dominant. And then also, like, what type you are, like what organ type, like, adrenal or thyroid or pituitary? And then there’s 1 other 1 that I’m forgetting now.

Martin Pytela [00:28:40]:
So we have this thing called DCR, daily check record, and it’s a piece of paper. We have, breakfast, lunch, dinner on it. Oh, here’s an interesting sidebar. So the thyroid types like to eat 3 meals about equal size, breakfast, lunch, dinner. The adrenal types don’t like eating breakfasts. They go with a cup of coffee, light lunch, big dinner. The, pituitary are the other way. They love big breakfast, not so much lunch, and 0 dinner.

Martin Pytela [00:29:08]:
So there you have it. Right? Each 1 of us different. Now you can be also not extreme thyroid. Right? Like, you could be somewhere halfway between thyroid and adrenal or have characteristics of both. Remember, it’s it’s like a flat space, and you’re somewhere on the map. Right? Somewhere on this page. So it depends which corner you go. The more closer to center you are, the more flexible you are.

Nick Urban [00:29:33]:
Yeah. Do you know the distribution of how many people fall into each? Because a lot of the way the current research works is it just lumps everyone into 1 group. And then it’s like, is this significant on the average, all those people, even though it’s quite possible that not a single person in that entire study was actually average? They all have they’re all either above or below the trend line in some way.

Martin Pytela [00:29:56]:
Yeah. I tell people, if I were average, I’d have 1 testicle, 1 ovary, 1 eye blue, and 1 eye brown. You know, I call it the fallacy of the scientific method. The double blind study is so blind you you could just cry for the follow following reason. The results of the study are dependent on the statistical distribution of the metabolic types that were participating in that study. If you got all adrenal types, you will now have a uniform drift into the adrenal type. Right? But, for example, if we were all parasympathetic, we would need more fat, more protein, more magnesium. We would probably do better if we could have more vitamin b five, and our vitamin b three would have to be niacinamide to make it match, for example.

Martin Pytela [00:30:56]:
Right? Like, those there are all these different, like, we have ton of details about all of this, which vitamin, which amino acid, and so on depending on your type. So but you asked me something different that should get answered.

Nick Urban [00:31:09]:
How much of the population falls into

Martin Pytela [00:31:11]:
each Oh, yeah. The distribution. Yeah. Well, every every Victoria’s Secret model is a thyroid type. The adrenal types are built like a German farmer who can take a pitchfork and throw hay up on the loft. Right? So gymnasts like Simone Biles or or Shawn Johnson, they were they are definitely adrenal types or at least more in the adrenal dominance. Like, Tina Turner was probably halfway between thyroid and adrenal, more of the adrenal, the statistical distribution. I would say that the, pituitary is not common.

Martin Pytela [00:31:53]:
The adrenal is probably more predominant than not. Well, here’s this. So the, thyroid types are dependent on coastal foods. Right? They love seaweed and fish and that sort of thing. So Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, Irish, British Isles, good good ratio. Right? So America has this slant toward the thyroid because of the immigration pattern. I don’t know. If you’re if you’re an African or have African heritage, think about what they ate in Equatorial Africa.

Martin Pytela [00:32:29]:
Right? Lots of coconut oil, tropical fish, shorebirds, eggs, bushmeat. No mention of corn or fried chicken or any of that. It’s just an abomination, really. Right?

Nick Urban [00:32:45]:
1 thing I’ve always wondered about these types of thing, and it wasn’t really a problem back then when the early systems of metabolic typing like Ayurveda were developed, was the mismatch between ancestry, say you’re from the Equator, and then current living because you might have that ancestry you might live way up in Alaska or somewhere where it is a totally different climate and the same foods are gonna be out of season and everything.

Martin Pytela [00:33:11]:
Yeah. There was an awesome, study done by Weston O. Price back in And Price Price Foundation to this day is promoting ancestral living, and they know what they’re doing. But here’s what he found. He went to Maasai in Africa, and he went to Tonga, and he went to Switzerland, and all I don’t know, 11 different places. Every one of them, he said, so long as the person ate their ancestral diet, they did fine. When they started eating the modern industrial diet, they did badly. So well, let me try this.

Martin Pytela [00:33:48]:
So a boy is born. The year is 12/ in Switzerland. He’s going to, after he’s weaned, going to be eating aged cheese, rye bread, sauerkraut. On Sundays, they’ll kill the chicken. In Feb. 0, when it’s cold enough, they’ll butcher the pig. That’s the Swiss boil. Right? Now somewhere in Norway, Sixty Degrees North, their growing season is ninety days long.

Martin Pytela [00:34:13]:
So they will be eating dried codfish, salmon, maybe some reindeer meat. They’ll be very strongly keto diet for sure. Let’s pick another 1. North Africa, Bedouin, oasis, dates, figs, pomegranates, camel milk, carb, carb, carb, carb, carb, carb. Right? So if you take the bedouin and ship him to Norway, he’s going to wither. He’s going to be sick in two, three years. Right? The boy that was growing up in Switzerland, if he’s mismatched genetically, by the time he’s 10 years old, he probably will succumb to some illness that runs through the village. I don’t think it will take too many generations to sort out the genetics straight for the food resource that’s intensely local.

Martin Pytela [00:35:07]:
So now you you introduce travel and ship everybody to America, and they start mating. Right? So you have now your Cherokee grandmother mating with your Norwegian grandfather, with your Bedouin, cousin. I don’t know. Just, you know, people mixing it in. So it’s complicated now. They do you know, uniformity is gone.

Nick Urban [00:35:27]:
If, say, you were born in the Equator and you moved up to somewhere that’s an intensely cold area, let’s go back to the Alaska example, would you be consuming foods that are shipped in from the Equator and be getting more of those tropical fruits and everything, even though it’s perhaps the winter and really cold in Alaska?

Martin Pytela [00:35:44]:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. That gets hard because, of course, we need to eat with the season. Right? So if I move to Florida, I will be pushing citrus and banana. And if I move to Norway, I will be pushing fat because otherwise, I’ll be just shivering cold. Like, I can’t get enough energy out of out of oranges to keep warm in cold of the winter. It’s complicated.

Nick Urban [00:36:08]:
Yeah. I can also see a hybrid approach to where it’s like, yes, you can eat whatever foods are closest to where you’re from, where your ancestors came from, and you can also adapt and add in some of the local foods for sustenance and to keep you alive at the same time.

Martin Pytela [00:36:24]:
Right. Yeah. You need to eat with the weather. So push more fats when it’s cold and push more fruit when it’s not.

Nick Urban [00:36:31]:
And it might just be a more fats, but it still might be less fats than someone else if you’re not that type and then vice versa.

Martin Pytela [00:36:38]:
Yes. Oh, definitely that. So we started talking about the DCR. So we have this sheet, and on that sheet, we have this describe your breakfast, show me how much fat, protein, and carb you have on it. And then ninety minutes after you eat, when the digestion has kicked off, answer some questions. Am I already satiated, or am I still hungry? Am I already craving something? Or, mentally, am I alert, or am I dopey, or am I overstimulated and just something like that. Right? So when you over alkalize, you start going into the depression and, and unable to think clearly. And when you over acidify, you become hyper something.

Martin Pytela [00:37:21]:
You know, like, people who are known as ADD, hyper something, they’re usually just living in the acidic environment within internally.

Nick Urban [00:37:29]:
Yeah. What about the practices that we can do that alter the acidity or alkalinity, that balance? For example, I can use breath work, and I can change the pH of my blood relatively quickly.

Martin Pytela [00:37:41]:
Yes. Yeah. I wish they were teaching breath work at school. Right? I mean, if you need to kick in the autonomic nervous system, slow yourself down, all you have to do is just roll your tongue, press it up against the roof of your mouth, and breathe deeply. And your panic will pass in, I don’t know what, 10 breaths. Right? Like, there are so many wonderful techniques that we can deploy to regulate the autonomic nervous system. But the autonomic nervous system is definitely pushed around with your food choices. So you can override it with your practice, but you can make your life easier by knowing what’s coming.

Martin Pytela [00:38:27]:
So here’s what you do. 2 tests. Test 1, carbo push. Okay. Let’s go to a Christmas party where, cookies and alcohol is served. Right? Drink 1, the, alkaline people, the the ones that are alkaline by alkalized by alcohol, the autonomic dominance. First drink, they are very bubbly jovial talking. Second drink, they are oversharing.

Martin Pytela [00:38:55]:
They’re releasing personal details that they wish they didn’t. Third drink, they start crying, just emotionally blowing it. Fourth drink, they’re falling asleep. Now in the oxidizer group, we have drink 1, louder. Just louder. More into it. Drink 2, argumentative. Drink 3, hostile.

Martin Pytela [00:39:20]:
Drink 4, punching each other out. That’s that’s how she goes. So next time you’re at a party where a whole lot of carbs are confused consumed, just watch what happens. You can sort people out just like that.

Nick Urban [00:39:34]:
Interesting.

Martin Pytela [00:39:36]:
So that’s test 1, find out if carbs make you alkaline or acidic. Test 2, do something very rich in fat and protein. So I don’t know. Bacon and eggs? Straight up. That will be fat and protein push. It should be one eighty opposite to what the carbs did. So if you are oxidizer, fats are calming. If you’re autonomic, fats are stimulating.

Martin Pytela [00:40:02]:
That’s it. Once you know, you know.

Nick Urban [00:40:05]:
What about the role of circadian rhythm and timing? Like, for if I eat that fat and protein early in the morning, it’s gonna be a different effect because of the cortisol levels and the other glucagon, different things going on my body than it would be at night, for example.

Martin Pytela [00:40:18]:
The thyroid types will want to have a breakfast. My my mild, moderate. The adrenal types will want to skip it, and the pituitary will want to have a double serving. Okay. So if you are into really optimizing it, then you would want to have no interruption to your elimination cycle. So you want to have only fruits until noon. You know, the the elimination cycle is interrupted when you start eating foods like proteins. So if you eat them early in the day, then you’re shutting down the elimination part.

Martin Pytela [00:40:55]:
So you want to do at least 1, if not two days a week when you don’t do it. When you

Nick Urban [00:41:00]:
say the elimination, okay, you’re talking about autophagy, like the cellular cleanup, basically. Mhmm. Gotcha.

Martin Pytela [00:41:05]:
Okay. Allow the autophagy to kick in.

Nick Urban [00:41:07]:
Well, that’s carbohydrates as well. Protein or carbohydrates?

Martin Pytela [00:41:11]:
All of it. Yeah.

Nick Urban [00:41:12]:
Yeah. Okay.

Martin Pytela [00:41:13]:
Yep. Take a break. Right? Give your body a chance to dig into your fat reserves. That that does not usually happen until you are essentially kicking the starvation mode.

Nick Urban [00:41:25]:
So then for something like fasting and say intermittent fasting, the pituitary type is going to be the least likely to wanna do that. Is that gonna be the most effective for them, or is that gonna not be productive?

Martin Pytela [00:41:37]:
Well, no. They’ll eat a breakfast, and then they will be happy to not eat until the next breakfast. It’s just a different time of day.

Nick Urban [00:41:45]:
Gotcha. But it seems from my real world observation that a lot of people are very resistant to fasting. Some are never even consider it go two hours without eating. Perhaps it’s metabolic inflexibility. Perhaps it’s their type, whatever. Other people

Martin Pytela [00:42:02]:
Seriously, two hours?

Nick Urban [00:42:04]:
Two, three, four hours. Like, the point is they eat constantly, very frequently. And other people, they have to remember and, like, set an alarm to eat. It’s the exact opposite. Would that be governed by metabolic type?

Martin Pytela [00:42:16]:
Probably. I I would imagine so. There’s so much variability. Right? Some people are very, easily affected by the balances of the foods, like, unstable. Like, it will take a tablespoon of carbohydrates to push you from 1 side to the other. Whereas others, they are like the sumo wrestler. There there’s no way you can knock them out of balance. There are people who tell me, I have no idea.

Martin Pytela [00:42:41]:
Food doesn’t affect me. I can’t eat anything. So then we have to try and dig to get it right. Whereas others, they they will, you know, princess and the bees kind of, situation where they know exactly how quickly they get affected by the change.

Nick Urban [00:42:56]:
Part of that’s determined by overall level of health. Because back when I was in my drinking days, I could pound 4 drinks at once and have no problem. Didn’t really think that food affected me in any way. Then I took a step back. And as I got healthier, all of a sudden, like, oh, I can see how this food affects me. But for majority of my life, I had no idea that food had any impact on me.

Martin Pytela [00:43:16]:
Yeah. The the vibrational quality of your body improved. I’m thinking like this. Right? Like, if you throw a large boulder in the middle of a cow path that’s traveling at 4 miles an hour, it’s no big deal. You walk around it. If you saw the same boulder into the middle of a freeway traveling at 60 miles an hour, you now have a serious issue because now you’re avoiding and and you’re causing trouble. So I’m thinking that once you once you cleaned up, you get the freeway effect. Your body’s vibrating at a better better rate and throwing your motor into it is an event, whereas before, nothing.

Nick Urban [00:43:53]:
Yeah. I think also that people who can’t get any effect out of muscle testing, it’s for a similar reason. All the times, once I’ve seen them clean up their diet, do some actual effective detox strategies, they come back to it six months later. All of a sudden, they actually feel a sensational difference in their body as they’re using these tools and no longer seems like complete BS. Because that’s what everyone thinks, myself included, when I first came across it. I’m like, come on. That’s ridiculous. But then the real life experience shows otherwise.

Martin Pytela [00:44:23]:
Yeah. Ten years later, you’re now much more with it. Right? Yeah. I think you’re right with that, is that the ability to yeah. Personal awareness. Right? Just becoming more attuned to everything.

Nick Urban [00:44:36]:
Because part of it is also, like, you have the signal and the noise, and you want the the goal is to get a large signal and minimize the amount of noise, kinda like the static on the radio. And when you detoxify, you’re increasing the signal and most importantly, decreasing that noise so that all of a sudden, the audio becomes a lot more clear.

Martin Pytela [00:44:54]:
Yeah. That is an excellent metaphor or excellent way of representing it. Because I’m thinking, you know, if if I throw something that, vibrates at a 100 into something that vibrates at 20, it’s going to be a life changing event. If I throw that hundred into something that vibrates at 85, it’s a nice the the games are the greatest. I think it’s logarithmic when you are really polluted and know nothing. Even small changes are very noticeable.

Nick Urban [00:45:27]:
Is there a quick and dirty means of evaluating supplementation? Like, there’s so many cool supplements out there. A lot of them aren’t effective or they’re not effective for certain people. Is there a way of bringing this methodology and perspective to supplements specifically?

Martin Pytela [00:45:45]:
Yeah. It will probably take hiring the coach and doing the plan. I have the binder right up there on the wall, and I can open it there, and I just say, okay. These, I mean, I was more of that. These vitamins more of that, and so on. So I would be able to fine tune a plan for you with the understanding of what your type is, and then we would just build it and keep fine tuning with the, with the program, right, with the daily check record as in I did this and I did better. My mental state, my emotional state, my physical state were all closer to balanced. I I keep talking about 4 things.

Martin Pytela [00:46:21]:
I keep waving my 4 finger fingers, which is this, toxicity, malnutrition, stagnation, and trauma.

Nick Urban [00:46:30]:
Those are your drivers of disease. Correct?

Martin Pytela [00:46:32]:
Yeah. The 4 legs on which disease will stand. Right? If you have toxicity, it’s going to never allow you to build health. And it’s probably is the first one that you should address. And malnutrition, that’s stuff that you should be getting and aren’t. And it’s so easy these days because our food is so depleted because of the fields being so overused and all of that. So you need to these days, supplementation is not optional. It’s if you want health, you you need to get that.

Nick Urban [00:47:04]:
Before you even go into that, malnutrition to me, it’s like I first of all, I totally agree with you. Supplementation is no longer optional. Actually, I wrote a article on that recently. I’ll put that in the show notes for this because I said that exact same thing. But also, it’s like there’s certain things that we’re not getting a lot of things we’re not getting from the food supply. But then depending on the way of eating and, like, the diet and everything, there’ll be certain things that we’re getting way in excess. And that’s part of it, too. You can have toxicity from insufficiency or toxicity from excess.

Martin Pytela [00:47:31]:
Oh, dear. You’re a walking philosopher. I like this. So so we have, of course, 2 approaches to life, subtractive and additive. Oftentimes, we need to add in what we’re missing, but so many times we actually need to just take less of something. Food as we know it right now is too rich in calories and too poor in nutrients. There even is a congress report that shows that the mineral density of our foods is down about 90%, or it’s 10% of what it was hundred and fifty years ago, which is horrendous. Like, imagine that the minerals you get in a 10 pounds of broccoli equals what your grandmother got in 1 pound.

Martin Pytela [00:48:15]:
It’s, like, it’s unattainable. Right? Like, you cannot eat enough food to feed your body well without blowing yourself up into three hundred and sixty pounds. That’s that’s the problem we’re having right now is that the body says feed me. It doesn’t say calories. It says feed me nutrients, and you give it pizza. Okay. So subtractive. Right? Do less of the wrong stuff.

Martin Pytela [00:48:41]:
In additive, do more of the right stuff. So so supplementation, you need to now get nutrient dense foods. And there are many bits you need to know about macronutrients, minor nutrients, trace minerals, and then the regulators, all the, I don’t know, peptides. If we can get into all the the fine stuff. But 1, number 1, make sure that you balance your fats, proteins, and carbs. Those are the big pillars, the big rocks in the solution. Get that right first, then get the minerals right, then get the vitamins right, then get the aminos right, then get the peptides right. You know? I I sometimes I tell people you’re majoring in minor things.

Martin Pytela [00:49:28]:
Right? Like, they call me up and said, does berberine fix me? And I’m saying, well, yeah, it helps with the, carbohydrate metabolism. Sure. But maybe you should evaluate your dinner.

Nick Urban [00:49:41]:
Exactly. I agree with you. Where does calories sit on your list, if anywhere?

Martin Pytela [00:49:46]:
Well, it’s energy. Right? If you consistently eat more calories than what you’re putting out, you’re going to store it as energy, which is fat.

Nick Urban [00:49:54]:
Oh, all sequel. Yeah.

Martin Pytela [00:49:55]:
Some people well, the thyroid types, when they’re young, they’re just awesome at burning off energy. Like, they can eat anything. And then past middle age, that goes away and we start putting on weight. It’s hormonal. Right? Like, we enzyme reserve. There’s so many issues. Right? When you’re 27, you have probably finished your enzyme reserve that you were born with. So if you’re not supplementing both systemic and digestive enzyme into your thirties, forties, and on, you’re going to decay, decline.

Martin Pytela [00:50:28]:
Right? I I cannot tell you whether it aging is loss of enzymes or or loss of enzyme causes aging. Which is it? So you eat enzymes as an old man and you will feel youngish. You might not look like this. Right? Like, I remember myself looking like you when I was in my thirties, per perhaps even forties. But I remember at 46, my hair started to get gray go gray, and it it just caught up with me somehow.

Nick Urban [00:50:57]:
Yeah. Alright. You’ve mentioned, I think, 2 of your 4 drivers of disease. What were the other 2?

Martin Pytela [00:51:04]:
Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. Stagnation. Right?

Nick Urban [00:51:06]:
Stagnation.

Martin Pytela [00:51:07]:
Your your immune system no. Not immune. Lymphatic. Right? Your lymphatic system is dependent on you moving against gravity. So walking is better than bicycling. Because with bicycling, you’re sitting and you’re only moving your knees. When you’re walking, you’re actually moving the center center of gravity up down with each step, which is what will cause the movement of the lymphatic fluid pumping it up from your legs all the way up to here. This is right here is where the lymphatics connect into the bloodstream, and then it gets filtered.

Martin Pytela [00:51:45]:
Anyway, you need that. Otherwise, you stagnate. The sure sign of knowing that your lymphatics are stagnant is when your armpits and your crotch and your feet start snapping. That’s the gravity points.

Nick Urban [00:51:58]:
Yeah. I was gonna ask, what are some of the practices you like for helping alleviate stagnation? You mentioned 1 to start the show off, which is rebounding, AKA bouncing on a mini trampoline. Are there any other techniques, tools, practices you like?

Martin Pytela [00:52:12]:
Yeah. Dry skin brushing is awesome. Even with just a towel, but if you can get a brush, all the better. You brush from the extremities towards the center, some from ankles up towards the pelvis, from pelvis up to the chest, and so on. Just drag it up to these points. That’s where you want them. So when you do this brushing, you’re helping the, lymphatic system to move along. Oh, there.

Martin Pytela [00:52:37]:
I mean, you can start doing the pumping. Right? Like, this there are these glands here, so you can pump them and then these and then these and then these and so on. Right? Now you can you can stimulate the lymphatic system to start moving things along. Stagnation is a bad idea because it’s like a swab. Right? Putrefying.

Nick Urban [00:53:00]:
Yeah. And you can use, like you were saying, acupressure, like self massage or even external massage from professional to help with that as well.

Martin Pytela [00:53:06]:
Oh, yeah. Absolutely that. Yeah.

Nick Urban [00:53:08]:
Do you ever use whole body vibration systems?

Martin Pytela [00:53:11]:
Oh, that’s a nice thought. Yeah. I don’t love gadgets, but for anyone who is in a wheelchair or in a bed or whatever, they should be vibrated for sure. So anyone who’s having hard time with bouncing on their own, yeah, absolutely. Just make sure that you set the vibration to a low rate, like 5 or 6 cycles per second rather than 20. Because when you do the fast 1, you’re causing, well, you’re you’re stimulating but not moving the lymph because it’s in the lymphatic system, you have these channels, and in the channel, there’s a flap. And so when the body moves down, the fluid stays up while the flap is open. And then on the other side, the flaps closes and the body moves up.

Martin Pytela [00:54:01]:
And so this is like well, anyway, the flaps can’t move fast enough to the 20 bits per second.

Nick Urban [00:54:07]:
Okay. That’s stagnation. There’s a fourth.

Martin Pytela [00:54:10]:
Trauma. Trauma. Trauma, trauma, traumatic events. All of us pick up stuff along the way. Our subconscious, until we’re 6 years old, there’s no gates. There’s nobody monitoring what goes in. So you pick up all kinds of stuff as an infant and child. But still, even other events will program you, you know, especially traumatic stuff, whether it’s I mean, the worst examples are, like, a child growing up in an alcoholic’s family or somebody getting raped or watching murders or first responders or soldiers or you name it, stuff that just horrible things.

Martin Pytela [00:54:51]:
Right? Anyway, it will affect you and it will program your body in some way. But an example would be something like this. My a three year old child is asking, mommy, give me the lollipop. My sister is already has already got 1. And mother says, darling, your sister has finished her dinner. As soon as you finish your dinner, I will give you your lollipop. And the 3 year old stores in her head, unlovable and unworthy. Nobody gives me what I want.

Martin Pytela [00:55:26]:
Now she’s 30 years old, applying for a job somewhere on the Wall Street or whatever, and she’s sabotaging it because she’s unlovable and can’t get what she deserves. Right? So that stuff should be unprogrammed, and there are wonderful techniques. And some of these things are physical. Some of these are mental and emotional and whatever. All of this responds well to things like neuro linguistic programming, body talk, quantum healing, EFT, emotion freedom technique, also known as tapping. All of these things reach inside your body without not without necessarily dredging out the content. You just release it. It’s sort of like, I have a balloon here.

Martin Pytela [00:56:09]:
I need to prick it. I don’t care what’s in it. And so this thing, whatever the blockage is, whether it’s your father issue, mother issue, brother issue, I don’t know. Don’t care. Don’t need to know. If you’re envious, the envy can be released, and you stop being envious. It’s it’s workable. And then we need to go back to the daily practices.

Martin Pytela [00:56:32]:
Right? So combine your meals correctly, choose your foods well, never ever put in your mouth refined flour, sugar, salt, refined seed oils, and, commercial dairy. Never ever do that. What else should we tell people? Keep a gratitude, practice. Right? All things good that will ever happen to you, travel on the vibration of gratitude. And the opposite of that is the vibration of grievance or or complaint or unforgiveness. So if ever you want to get cancer, be very envious and unforgiving. It’s a sure bet.

Nick Urban [00:57:17]:
Well, we’ve given a lot of people a lot of things to look into and, ponder today, Martin.

Martin Pytela [00:57:22]:
Yeah. Well, the metabolic typing is great because it’s the bedrock of it all. Right? You can really make a huge leap forward in your mental health, emotional health, and even physical health when you understand how it works and why it works.

Nick Urban [00:57:39]:
Yeah. Exactly. The human body is a cybernetic system, a system of systems. When you work on any of these planes, the physical plane, the mental plane, or the emotional plane, it tends to improve the others as well. So start with metabolic typing. Try some of the things we discussed here today, and let us know how it goes. You can reach me on Instagram at mind body peak performance. Martin, I’m curious if there was a worldwide burning of the books and all knowledge on Earth was lost, but you get to save the works of 3 teachers, who you choose and why?

Martin Pytela [00:58:11]:
Well, this is hard to believe that bad. Okay. I like, A Course in Miracles. I would like that to survive. Oh, there. Lao Tzu. Mhmm. Tao Tao Tsing, whatever how it’s pronounced.

Martin Pytela [00:58:25]:
I don’t know. The book of doubts. Bhagavad Gita. Probably I don’t know. I would like the bible to go back to the original. But, yeah, those those are the works that should survive. I if I were to pick any 1 modern author, I’d pick Robert Heinlein. He’s my favorite philosopher.

Martin Pytela [00:58:47]:
He masqueraded as a science fiction writer, but, he really was a philosopher.

Nick Urban [00:58:52]:
For the world of nutrition, you mentioned, Weston a Price earlier. Would you keep his works or someone else’s?

Martin Pytela [00:59:00]:
Oh, man. Well, this Walcott Will Bill Walcott’s writings that he made, push up put out are worth having. Yeah. Weston Oak Price is an awesome awesome, mission. But, you know, you can’t put it in 1 book. They have a website with thousands of posts. Biohacking, there is a whole bunch of self hacking. Do you remember that’s that’s Joe Cohn or something like that? Right?

Nick Urban [00:59:26]:
Mhmm. Self decode. Yeah. And self hacked before self decode. Yeah.

Martin Pytela [00:59:30]:
That’s why. Sayer g is awesome. Yeah. He’s he’s put together some phenomenal work. Right? But I mean, again, right there, that’s the entire library of all the things. Right?

Nick Urban [00:59:40]:
Yeah. Cool. Well, we have lots from the show notes. Martin, if people want to connect with you, to follow your work, just check out your superfoods or to work with you? How do they find you?

Martin Pytela [00:59:52]:
Our website is Life Enthusiast, and it’s written with a dash in between, life-enthusiast.com. The brand we make is called Exula, e x s u l a. And, we have a whole bunch of other products there because food is not the only thing. But and we have a life, we have channels, l I f e m t c o, on YouTube and Telegram and, X.

Nick Urban [01:00:18]:
Well, Martin, thank you so much for joining me on the podcast today. It’s been fun talking all things metabolic typing and so much more with you.

Martin Pytela [01:00:25]:
Thank you. Thank you very much.

Nick Urban [01:00:27]:
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