Rapidly Rewire Your Brain Using Drug-Free Psychedelics With Stroboscopic Light & Sound

Nick Urban [00:00:00]:
Well, from previous conversations, I know just the place to start with you.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:00:04]:
Nice.

Nick Urban [00:00:05]:
And that is a quote from you, and that is, our brain is not our friend. Can you fill in some context behind that quote, why you said it, and what exactly you mean by it?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:00:18]:
Yes. Our brain another way of saying it is our brain is our frenemy. And and yeah. So why why would I say something like that? Well, I mean, every one of us has instances in their life where they think to themselves, why did I do that? Why did I say that? Why can’t I do this? What prevents me from moving forward? Why am I stuck? And so all of these statements indicate an inability to navigate or pilot this device that’s between our ears. You know? We’ve got this navigation system that half the time is on autopilot, and we try and try and try and can’t get it to listen to our commands. We can’t take the wheel into our hands as readily as we’d like to.

Nick Urban [00:01:14]:
And I think that number is at least half the time it’s on autopilot, if not more than half the time.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:01:20]:
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely.

Nick Urban [00:01:24]:
So today, we’re gonna be talking about how specifically light and audio and frequencies impact the brain and how they can shift our mental state. How did you get involved in this whole world?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:01:39]:
So for me, it was really a journey through a process of healing. Had a very traumatic childhood and really just lived a life of of of extreme success and then crashing failures in repeating cycles. And I I always wondered, like, you know, why can’t I hold on to success or good things? Like, you know, what’s wrong with me? You know? I would strive, strive, strive. And no matter what I would try to do, I would I would become successful. But then I would kinda plateau and then drop off and start doing all these self defeating behaviors. I would miss appointments. I would just become careless. My addiction to fun would kick in, and I’d start just doing stuff that wasn’t work related.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:02:30]:
And so, you know, all of that, like, led me to believe something’s up. Like, my wiring isn’t quite right. And when I started really digging into that, I realized that I have a very strong trauma response. I have a very strong fight or flight built in, baked into my brain. And I knew I needed to do something about that. So I started doing meditation, and Joe Dispenza, and energy medicine school and Reiki and just everything. And, you know, some things helped a little bit. Some things helped not at all.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:03:12]:
But, really, effectively, what I learned in the in the big picture was that I needed to take control of my processes and, you know, what goes on in my subconscious mind. So I started, I tried medication that didn’t really work. And one day, I I discovered neurofeedback, which is a, process of using feedback that’s delivered a variety of ways visually, auditorially. And it’s basically sensors on your scalp that read your brain wave patterns and then alert you when you are shifting gears too much. Like, kind of like when you’re driving and you’re, like, overdoing the clutch and the brake and the, you know, and the gas pedal and all of that. So that helped some, but what I realized was that it only helped me kind of regulate, and it didn’t help me in another area which I had realized I was lacking in. And that is in my sense of of joy, my sense of happiness. And what I learned through further study is that when you have a trauma brain, you basically limit your responses to a very narrow channel and so that you don’t get really upset.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:04:25]:
Alright? But you never ever get really happy either. And so only by doing psychedelics did I realize that joy was a thing. That, like, real true connection, bliss, serenity, and joy were a possible thing. And so I basically did a lot of psychedelics for a while. But you can’t do that. You have to function in the world, and you have to be able to, you know. And who’s got all day to be on mushrooms? Right? So so I I I ended up going on a retreat, and I met somebody that had a device that, it’s a it’s a it’s a brainwave entrainment device that uses stroboscopic light. And I I did a session on it, and I was just blown away.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:05:12]:
I went right back to that place that I go to when I do psychedelics. And I was like, woah. This is something. And now this is probably this is 2021. And so I I I found out about this company, and I went and I met them. And, I got on a Zoom call, and they’re based in England and got myself one of these devices and just started working with it and fell in love.

Nick Urban [00:05:38]:
A lot to explore there. We’ll start off. Yeah. I’m curious if there were any patterns or signals that let you identify in the beginning that you would very easily get into fight or flight. Like, how did you go about figuring out this is an area that you should even explore to begin with?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:05:58]:
Well, I mean, for me, it’s it’s being really tuned in and really sensitive. Because when you’ve got a a trauma background, you’re always scanning for threats. So when you have a very hair trigger for for for getting offended, when you have a very, low tolerance for getting upset or disjointed over something. And then when something happens and you just can’t let go of it, you know, that those are all things that tell you that, you know, something’s not quite right. You know? There’s the, the image of the 2 ducks or swans that come across each other in a pond, and one gets too close to the other. And they get into it, and they’re, like, really going at it. And then they’re done, and they walk away. And they just flap their wings a lot for about 30 seconds, and then they’re done.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:06:48]:
It’s like it never happened. And we don’t do that as humans. We ruminate. And, you know, we’ve got this thing in our head called the HPA axis, which is the hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis. And that’s what controls all of the chemicals that give us our moods and our states. And when our amygdala gets triggered, and that’s the part of our brain that is fear or threat, when that gets triggered, the HPA axis jumps in and starts just pumping pumping adrenaline and and and fight or flight chemicals into our body so that we’re just ready to go.

Nick Urban [00:07:23]:
Yeah. There’s that side. So it sounds like you knew very quickly that you had a traumatic experience and that was coloring your view of yourself and of the world and everything. There’s also the stoic approach where it’s nothing affects me. I am the arbiter of my own reality. Like, I can watch the people around me die and it’s my choice if I feel sad. There’s like the 2 extremes. And I think that there’s now a move towards the stoic perspective of being the better version because you’re in control.

Nick Urban [00:07:54]:
And then you get to decide how much happiness and fulfillment you’re experiencing and how much control and then you get to decide how much happiness and fulfillment you’re experiencing and all that stuff. But I also see that as another form of escapism because you’re supposed to be affected by the things that are going on around you. And whether you’re consciously telling yourself you’re not, your subconscious is still affected.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:08:17]:
Yeah. Carl Jung really did a tremendous amount of work around archetypes and shadow that you know, all around this. And, you know, what you don’t transform, you transmit. It’s very simple. If you if we don’t process and integrate our shadow and and the negative experiences that we have in a proper way, we’re just going to bury them. And that’s why a lot of these stoic types end up with heart disease because they just grieve themselves to death for just the losses that they never allowed themselves to feel. Because every one of these situations is a loss. It’s something to be grieved.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:08:58]:
And when you do that properly, you can move on, and you can have access to the joy in your life.

Nick Urban [00:09:03]:
Yeah. That reminds me of the work of doctor Basel Vender Klok where the body keeps the score.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:09:09]:
Oh, bet yeah. Basel Vender Klok.

Nick Urban [00:09:11]:
Yes. Where if you don’t actually, like, let the energy move through you in some way, then it becomes lodged somewhere in your nervous system.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:09:17]:
Mhmm. Yes. They now I just saw a study the other day that proves now that cells individual cells have a memory function, that they can remember stimuli and store for future need a a an event so that they can move away from danger. And, you know, I think we’ve we were talking about this another day about, plants. Plants can be motile. They can turn towards the sun. They can move towards water. So those are cells without a brain, and yet they’re doing these things.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:09:55]:
So yeah.

Nick Urban [00:09:56]:
Okay. And so then you found this light. One thing I heard you mentioned earlier too is that you were doing behaviors and certain things that weren’t serving you. And Mhmm. I also to tie it in the discussion of the subconscious, I think it wasn’t serving your conscious, your conscious mind and what you wanted logically, but the subconscious part of you, which is infinitely more powerful than the conscious mind, in some way wanted that, which is why there is the tug of war and the subconscious ended up winning and you repeated the same behaviors.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:10:31]:
Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Because what’s happening when that’s going on is that you’ve got a tape running in your head. There’s basically a a constantly repeating ever always there voice, And that actually lives in a place called the default mode network, which is, the combination of the temporal, parietal, and frontal lobes of the brain. The different they get together and form our sense of self, that kind of voice in our head. And we don’t often hear that voice because it’s pre lingual. It’s pre language.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:11:04]:
A lot of our conditioning goes in before we ever know how to speak. And so if you’re a baby and you grab for something and your hand gets slapped, the message that goes in is you can’t have the things you want. And if you attempt to get them, bad things will happen to you. Okay? So you get that kind of wiring, that kind of rut in the brain. That’s the default. That’s the go to. And, you know, we all have the ability to, you know, control our thoughts. And it brings up the whole concept of free will.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:11:43]:
And, you know, do we really have free will? Which is a whole other podcast. But, you know, when you think about it, you can make a choice sometimes in a moment to make another choice and do something different. But if we’re stressed, if we’re upset, then that ability gets taken away. It gets reduced if we’re tired, if if we’re in a, compromised situation, if our immune system is down. So, yes, it is possible to override those patterns if we’re conscious and completely there. But as we mentioned earlier in the call, most of the time, we’re just not.

Nick Urban [00:12:25]:
Yeah. So out of all of different ways of rebalancing the body, the mind, the nervous system, you gravitated towards a I mean, after trying a bunch of different things, the device that seemed to combine all these. Let’s explore that now.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:12:42]:
So when I was trained in neurofeedback, brainwave entrainment was considered kind of a joke. Like, it was like, binaural beats. It’s a joke. You know? The brain gets used to them and you don’t really get benefit from them after a while and, you know, but but it was proven by, doctor Robert Munro though that, you know, the Monroe Institute, I think you might be familiar with that. But doctor, Robert Monroe proved that you could, with sound, impact the consciousness and send people on journeys. So right there, there was a body of work that that proved that it was possible. But what happened is with any techno as with any technology, there was improvement and there was constant and never ending, investigation and development. And what they learned is is that we could use multiple stimuli to get us into fully immersive states where we kind of lose our sense of of self in a good way.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:13:43]:
And technology that I use, the Roxiva, is sound, light, and vibration so that we’re really hitting 3 of the 5 major senses right there. And we can actually add the other 2 by aromatherapy. If you, if you just kind of put a dab of something under your nose as an anchor, you can actually bring those in as well, so that you can really create some lasting change. So how does the lasting change happen? Well, in neurofeedback, we learned that if you reward a certain response in the brain, the brain will continue to produce that response. And then if you inhibit that response, it at whatever particular area, because there were 20 spots on the brain where they put the sensors for the, training, then then the brain will produce less of that frequency in that area. But what ended up happening is is that, you know, that could create situations like, adverse reactions or, you know, kind of side effects. And so the the neurofeedback was awesome for, like, certain things, but the entrainment turned out to be even better for showing the brain how to get places that it couldn’t go on its own. So when I mentioned earlier about the, the bliss and the joy response, okay, well, I mean, the first time I really experienced true true bliss was when I did BUFO, which is 5 meodmt known as the toad.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:15:24]:
But then when I did the Roxiva afterwards, I actually went back to that same place. It reactivated that pathway for me. And what that told me was, you know, no. It’s it’s not just that we’re driving the brain to do something and the brain won’t be able to do it on its own. But what’s happening is when we drive the brain to do something, the brain being a learning organism says, alright. Well, we’re here. How did we get here? And it stores that. And if you anchor what you’re trying to install using either, you know, either tapping or touching or ascent, then you can install that pathway

Nick Urban [00:16:07]:
more easily. Yeah. I think of it in a groove. The brain is in a groove. And once you show it a different path, what’s outside of the groove, then you’re able to get back there again on your own with or without assistance.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:16:22]:
Yes. You know, the expression you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. But the horse is gonna remember where the water is when it’s thirsty.

Nick Urban [00:16:30]:
Yes. Exactly. So what are some of these states that you can use brainwave entrainment to get people into?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:16:38]:
Well, it’s wonderful, really, because it it I call it a control knob for your noggin. So, we have on the Roxiva over a 150 different programs that you can experience. And they range from non sleep deep relaxation, which is NSDR. NSDR is awesome because you can get into that really slow wave brainwaves that are deep sleep waves. And when you’re in those brainwaves, that is the opportunity that we have to produce human growth hormone. And a lot of people, after you get to a certain age, can’t produce human growth hormone anymore. The only time they can do it is in that first, sleep cycle of the night, the first hour and a half. And I have, for example, this Oura ring which tracks my sleep.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:17:34]:
And even sometimes if I’m not doing the right things, I don’t get that much in that first rain that first hour and a half. And so now that opportunity is lost for that evening. Now it doesn’t mean that you had a crappy night sleep. It just means you didn’t get into the slow wave sleep because REM sleep is very important. And there’s a whole thing around, you know, the reason you may not be getting deep sleep is because you’re doing so much REM sleep because during the REM sleep is when you process your daily stuff. And so if you’ve got a lot of daily stuff that needs to be processed, that’s gonna happen first.

Nick Urban [00:18:14]:
I think it was the work of doctor Joe Dispenza, which you mentioned earlier. He’s the one I saw who mentioned that certain brainwave patterns are associated with increased activity of different molecules and substances. Like, I think telomerase is associated with theta, theta dominant brainwave pattern and human growth hormone, obviously, with Delta and probably others as well. But it’s cool just to see how, like, if you can put your brain in that state, you can help your body perform certain functions better without needing to ingest an exogenous substance.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:18:50]:
Oh, yeah. And and when you go into that, that deep slow wave and the human growth hormone is is being produced, it’s it’s like my ring knows it. Like, it asks me, were you sleeping? You know? And then I look at the sleep and it’s like it shows me slow waves. I’m like, ah, this is so cool. But on the other side of it, like, on the high end of things, on gamma, for example, gamma the right gamma frequencies can trigger the effect of cleaning the brain where the cerebrospinal fluid, which is always in and everywhere in the spinal cord, there’s openings in the brain that can open that allow the cerebrospinal fluid to flow up into the brain and clean out all the gunk, like amyloid plaques and all the things that accumulate from our processing. And if we don’t get appropriate sleep where we get into the gamma waves where those ventricles can open and allow the cerebrospinal fluid to flow, then that really contributes to cognitive decline. And we have science around that now that’s showing all of those things are happening.

Nick Urban [00:19:59]:
Gamma is really fascinating. It’s my favorite, brainwave to enter to entrain. And I like it from the neurofeedback perspective to actually train my brain to get there and then also to induce it via technologies like Roxiva. A lot of my favorite sessions are the gamma dominant sessions.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:20:18]:
Yeah. And they’re gorgeous. Like, visually, I find them gorgeous. They’re very spacious, and they look like sky or universal kind of, like, gal galaxies. And and, you know, and what I’m I guess I should explain for the listeners that one of the main things that happens with these technologies, the scroboscopic light, the Roxiva, is that you have your eyes closed. And despite the fact that your eyes are closed, the blinking patterns through your closed eyelids stimulate your optical system in a way that causes you to see incredible sacred geometry, incredible kaleidoscopic effects, vortices, tunnels, wormholes, wide landscapes. I mean, it’s it just it’s mind blowing

Nick Urban [00:21:07]:
in a good way. And I think you’ve already described it pretty well. Pretty much the way it works is you lie under the the light, but it’s more than just a light, but the light, and then it plays an audio track that’s specially crafted. Perhaps we should talk about how you guys craft them. And the pulsation of the light varies throughout the session. And you close your eyes. You sit there for between I don’t know how short and how long they go, but either between a few minutes and up to, like, an hour or so. And it takes you into a whole different world.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:21:39]:
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. You I mean, that was a good explanation, as to the way it works. It it it is a journey, and it can be a journey of deep rest and relaxation, or it can be a journey of shamanic proportions where you’re actually going and and you’re on a quest and you receive a a a gift and then you bring that back and you integrate it. We’ve got some guided journeys that work that way. And and then we have just some that are, like, incredible wild psychedelic rides that reproduce the brainwave patterns of things like psilocybin and Ayahuasca and, LSD and create that same neuroplasticity and that same effect of really giving you a a a neuro reset, a a central nervous system reset.

Nick Urban [00:22:36]:
One of the things I found really fascinating about this too is that you guys didn’t just assume that it’s doing this. It’s gonna mimic because you labeled the track Ayahuasca or DMT or whatever it is, but you actually have done some brain mapping, like, before and maybe during, but after sessions to see this is what happens throughout our journey.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:22:56]:
Yeah. And MAPS kind of did a lot of that work too. The Multidisciplinary Association For Psychedelic Studies, MAPS. They they were able to see the signatures of all these compounds and DMA and, you know, Ketamine. And and, you know, the technology exists now to put a cap on somebody and read their thoughts. I mean, we could see the brainwave patterns for people that can see, nonphysical objects. You know? There’s a specific brain that can that is tuned towards seeing non corporeal entities. And so it’s amazing what we’re learning about the brain and the field that it puts out, which gets into a whole different exploration of how does the brain even really work.

Nick Urban [00:23:49]:
Well, I haven’t seen any sessions on roxiva that let me entrain that specific brain type and frequency. Perhaps one day there will be.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:23:59]:
Well, there’s one called 3rd eye awakening. So that one, it’s it’s, you know, it’s a good sounding. Okay? But there is actually science around how pulsating light over the pineal gland through the eyes can stimulate that part of the brain and contribute to decalcification. So, you know, the whole the whole talk about fluoride in the water and all of that, you know. But it is it is built into us, so we can actually tune that response and improve.

Nick Urban [00:24:32]:
One of the things I wondered is that is changing the brain state and the brain waves, the brain activity to match someone who’s on one of these substances actually inducing a lot of the changes, the neuroplasticity and the, like, clinical outcomes and everything? Or is that a byproduct? Like, is this causative, or is it just highly correlated with people using these substances? Makes me hard to answer.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:24:58]:
Yeah. I think the substances cause the effect. I mean, because they all have their own signatures. So, like, I if I take mushrooms, it’s a very different experience from Kevin.

Nick Urban [00:25:11]:
Yeah. But when you take mushrooms, is it the is it the brain state shift that’s causing the effects that you notice and the longer term benefits? Or is that a side effect of take I mean, obviously, it’s a side effect of taking the mushrooms that your brain state shifts. But is it specifically the brain, the the brain activity changing, or is it something else that causes the brain to change that’s really listening to benefits?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:25:37]:
I think that the chemicals in the substances are unique that they can cross the blood brain barrier. And so those are the active compounds like DMT. You know, they they could cross the blood blood brain barrier. And, you know, I don’t know the exact science of it. I don’t know if it’s a neurotoxin or a stimulant or if there’s anything in particular that yeah. I’m sure each one has a different mechanism of action. For example, with marijuana, cannabis, it’s the endocannabinoid system and how things just kinda link up and they, you know, they they fit into the receptors. I think that exists for all those other, substances as well.

Nick Urban [00:26:19]:
Yeah. But So if you were to take someone who had ingested cannabis, the actual physical substance, or you had put them into a brain state that mirrors that exactly, aside from actually looking at the receptors, would you be able to tell the difference between them in different parts of the the body?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:26:38]:
I think in the body, you would be able to tell the difference because, most of what we’re doing is we’re trying to duplicate the brainwave state that occurs with the substances. Like, look, I don’t wanna duplicate the experience of Ayahuasca in the body. I’ve done it. It ain’t pretty. I mean, there’s a lot of, you know, releasing orally the other way. And so, you know, it’s not pleasant. So to get that benefit, people’s they they choose to go through the suffering. And and if there’s a way to get most of the benefit without all of that physical component, then, yeah, you know, I’m all for it.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:27:22]:
Now Ayahuasca is a very unique proposition because I think part of the healing of Ayahuasca is that it does create that purging effect. And that purging effect does occur at a cellular level as well. So when we do it just with the brain, you know, the the lymphatic system and then the lymphatic system does do some toxin removal. And you should always support that with drinking a lot of water and getting a lot of rest and all of that, but it’s just not as severe as when you take the the, the, you know, the the Ayahuasca per se. But even mushrooms, mushrooms have a physical kind of payload as well. Like, I end up with a little headache after I do mushrooms or I don’t kinda feel myself the next day.

Nick Urban [00:28:12]:
Well, I was also thinking that when you use the physical substance, you’re also gonna be adding load to your body. It’s gonna take more time to recover than if you just change the brain state. Of course, the brain also consumes a lot of energy and, like, remodeling the brain takes a lot of resources. But when you’re also purging and having other unpleasant experiences or just the different things that substances do to the physical body, you’re just increasing the amount of recovery. And then when you increase the amount of recovery, you can’t do it as often, and you’re also stuck with the half life of whatever substance. So you have to dedicate however long the time it takes for you to metabolize and clear out of your body.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:28:53]:
Yeah. 100%. Definitely. And and that’s no joke. And, you know, on top of that, I can add the, fear that a lot of people that are in recovery have of creating a relapse type situation because they they feel like that any mind altering chemical is going to cause them to go back into an addictive response. You know, whether or not that is true for them, it’s a valid concern. And and there are some people that because of their employment, you know, pilots, military people, people in law enforcement, they can’t have these chemicals in their body. They’re tested for them.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:29:33]:
So they they really don’t get to have the benefits of these things unless they can get them another way. And this is one of those ways for that to happen.

Nick Urban [00:29:42]:
Yeah. And then there’s also a lot of other related technologies. It seems like no one’s done a great job of marrying the best of all the worlds because I first came across binaural beats a very long time ago, and I was so excited because the names of the tracks were promising. And it seemed like basically digital drugs without a lot of the downsides that you’d associate with using those substances. And when I tried them, it worked great for the first couple of times, but then my brain quickly got accustomed to it. It adapted, and they just completely lost all potency after that. Then I came across other technologies, like the pink noise, the white noise, the brown noise, isochronic tones. And there’s a lot of different ways of using audio to entrain the brain.

Nick Urban [00:30:31]:
Tell me more about why you guys chose audio and, also, I mean, light. What was the rationale behind those specifically?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:30:40]:
Well, so, you know, the visual cortex and the parts of the brain that are dedicated to vision take up the most real estate in the brain in any other complex. And the eyes are actually part of the brain that’s outside of the skull. So they’re actually brain cells. I I, you know, I’m gonna say this and it’s I’m sure it’s like, it’s not gonna be received. Alright. I’ll just say it. So I’ll risk getting canceled. If I had the choice to be blind or deaf, I would choose deaf, personally, you know, because vision is such an important part of my human experience.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:31:24]:
Now there are people that will argue, oh, you know, both and and great that everybody’s entitled to their opinion. But for me, I think my life would be a lot harder if I couldn’t see than if I couldn’t hear. Okay? And the reason I mentioned that is is that we evolved as as seeing beings. That’s that’s how our brain evolved, really. And that’s why so much of our circuitry is dedicated to that. You know, the there’s the the other side of the conversation where people that are a little more into metaphysics or into, quantum type thought where where they believe that the brain isn’t even generating the consciousness and the world. It’s that we’re we’re broadcasting it out. We’re, like, just receiving it and broadcasting it out kind of through our eyes.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:32:20]:
And there’s some studies that show that we have more circuits going out of our eyes than coming into the brain. So is it really just a projection? Is everything just a projection of our of what’s happening in our mind? So I I kinda lost where I was going. Oh, we’re talking about the, the the the light. Okay. So so yeah. So, basically, the sound because our ears are mechanical and they are. They’re just these little hammers that it’s amazing. It it it blows my mind.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:32:52]:
I mean, hearing is amazing. The fact that we can hear the things that we hear. You know, I was just looking the other day at an old time record player with the needle and, you know, the gurus are like, how did it, like, such beautiful amazing sound come out of this mechanical setup. Like, it just really fascinates me. So so sound, yes, is very important, but it is mechanical in nature and it has to be translated for the brain to use it. But light just goes right in and it just stimulates the rods and cones. And that does get translated as well. But, again, it’s a direct circuit because it’s all part of the brain that that we’re working with.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:33:36]:
So I think that the effect is just much more powerful visually than it is auditorily. But with new sound technologies like Dolby Atmos and, the ability to direct sound spatially, we are creating new combinations of light and sound programs that are truly next level. And causing the brain to kind of what? What just happened there? And really, that’s the whole idea of what we’re doing at Roxiva is we are trying to create wow experiences. Experiences of awe and wonder. Because what we learned from entrainment is yes. You can get the brain to a specific state. But what we learned from creating these states of awe and wonder is that we can restore a sense of newness that didn’t exist before, a a true reset. And that occurs because of the variety of the signals that we’re putting in.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:34:47]:
Certain types of audio, certain types of visuals, certain types of isochronic tones, and the vibration feedback which is introduced through the, vibe setup that we have we have.

Nick Urban [00:34:58]:
But there are also other ways of entrain the brain. Some people use electricity or electromagnetism. Some people use a different form of light, a different wavelength, like near infrared light. How did you guys settle on those? I guess, I’d say 2 or really 3 because the vibration component also counts.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:35:18]:
When you’re talking about entrainment, it can be really simple. I mean, you can buy a device that will flicker at 40 hertz. And, that’s really good for people that are looking to kind of work with their cognitive thing because it’s just that one thing. You can buy devices that flicker at beneficial 10 hertz is a good frequency, for for red light, for example. That, you know, that they they use that one a lot. It that that pulse is found to be beneficial. But those are just simple frequencies that you’re delivering. And when you’re doing that, that’s fine.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:35:54]:
You can use any number of technologies to do that. But, do you have your Roxiva handy?

Nick Urban [00:36:01]:
I do. It’s right here.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:36:03]:
So when you hold that up, there’s 16 individual life sources there and 8 of them are cool and 8 of them are warm. So we’ve got full spectrum light coming out of the Roxiva. So one of the things that we’ve been learning as an aside is that the the Roxiva is very beneficial for people that suffer from seasonal affective disorder because it is full spectrum light. But the the what I’m pointing out when I show that there are 16 light sources, which is more than any other device out there, is that we can create the most complex and intricate patterns which is always introducing novelty. There’s one thing the brain notices all the time and that’s what’s different, what’s new. So you have to be able to introduce novelty. And that’s why with your, description earlier of the banoral beats, there’s no novelty there. It’s just like, you know, it’s your brain you’re you’re gonna tune that out eventually.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:37:07]:
But try to tune out a psychedelic turn.

Nick Urban [00:37:10]:
Yeah. A bit harder. And I also noticed when I was using isochronic tones, there was some interesting research, and they looked really promising. But the audio tracks suck. They sound completely robotic, mechanical, and they’re a total pain to listen to. So I gave up on them simply because of that.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:37:28]:
Yeah. And that’s why we just drive the lowest isochronic tones through the haptic feedback, through the vibration so that chronic tones through the haptic feedback, through the vibration so that your body’s getting it, but your ears don’t get irritated by

Nick Urban [00:37:39]:
it. Exactly. Okay. Let’s go through some of the different sessions. Like, what are the ones that you like and you use? And, like, what are the things that you find Roxiva customers are enjoying the most? Like, the the uses, benefits, outcomes?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:37:53]:
I use the Roxiva at different times of day for different things. I’ve had it over my bed because we have a program called silent night that can put you to sleep. I’ve done it first thing in the morning. Programs, you know, good morning. It’s basically just we have programs that’ll wake you up and get you started in the day because anybody that follows the science now knows that when we wake up, we should get sunlight in our eyes if at all possible. But if not, if you if if it’s a cloudy day or it’s too early and the sun’s not out yet, the the Roxiva’s perfect for that because you’re gonna get that the locks in your your eyes and and tell your circadian rhythms it’s time to be awake. But, I mean, I love the, certainly, the psychedelic programs for what I wanna shake things up and really get my mind working. We’ve got programs that are designed around creativity.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:38:50]:
There’s one called, creativity inspired k. My favorite one for a very long time has been the, Khufu Egyptian pharaoh. And, and that one is one of those journey shamanic type programs that that allows for a build up, an intensity, a journey, receiving a gift, and then coming back and and integrating that gift. More and more we’re introducing guided sessions because we’re finding that folks want to be taken on a journey. We’re working with a variety of practitioners that are specialists in the breath work area, in yoga nidra, in non sleep deep relaxation. So that what we’re really trying to do is create a, a body of work where you can utilizing the app, which will be out before the end of the year, but it’s in beta now so it is working. Utilizing the app, you can dial in according to how long you’d like to be in your session, what the feeling tone of the session is that you’re looking for, specific frequencies that you’d like to focus on, a result that you’re looking for. So really everything’s on the table.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:40:15]:
When I said earlier that it’s like having the control knob on your noggin, it’s true. If I wanna be in alpha flow state like Tiger Woods, I can get there. Like, I can do it. I can bring myself there. If I’ve got a big project that I need to work on and I need to get into a totally focused state, we have a program called Attention Booster that’ll just put me right in there. And so with a 150 out there, it would take a long time to go through. But suffice to say that we can we can fit a program into just about any result you’re looking for.

Nick Urban [00:40:54]:
Yeah. One thing I learned from last time we spoke is that this has some unique and distinct advantages over neurofeedback. Can you explain some of the reasons you like using stroboscopic light for brainwave entrainment over neurofeedback?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:41:13]:
Yeah. I mean, I think I touched on it earlier, but I’ll I’ll re restate that because of the potency of the signals that we put out, I mean, we are the most powerful stroboscopic light device out there, Period. There’s just nobody stronger and there’s nobody that’s putting out as much content as we are so that we’re always providing new stimulus, new types of experiences. And going back to that novelty situation, when you’re looking to create a situation where there’s you say you’ve got somebody that’s in fight or flight, you know, PTSD or, you know, trauma response, whatever. You wanna break that pattern. You want you want to take them out of wherever they are. And neurofeedback can do that if you can get the person to sit still long enough to receive enough sessions to get the benefit. But entrainment, specifically entrainment with the Roxiva, it’s such a wow experience that they’re getting entertained into feeling better.

Nick Urban [00:42:27]:
That’s exactly how I was gonna describe it because I do neurofeedback all the time. And most of the time, it really feels like brain training, like the bicep curl for the brain where it feels good when you finish, but then I won’t necessarily look forward to sitting down and doing neurofeedback, especially for longer periods of time. But with the Roxiva, I just sit back, relax, and enjoy the wild ride and enjoy the same or very similar outcome.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:42:55]:
Yeah. Let me turn it back to you then and ask you a question. Pick one of those sessions that you’ve experienced and you came out of it. How did you feel?

Nick Urban [00:43:03]:
When I did the DMT session, I felt shaken up and very surprised that a light could have that profound of an impact. I also found myself during certain sessions, like, not quite hyperventilating, but, like, feeling tension in my chest. And then I controlled my breathing. I breathed through it. And, yeah, I was just blown away that a light could do that. And I’d be really curious to see how my vitals change based on the different sessions. My heart rate, my heart rate variability, my respiratory rate, all those types of things.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:43:40]:
Yeah. And I wanna point out you made a very good statement there that the DNT programs are among the strongest that we have. And so they’re not for beginners. Okay? And you’re not a beginner. So but let me tell you. They there there’s a ton of programs on the Ruxiva that are very chill, that are, like, beautiful and peaceful and, like but yeah. What you just described is exactly what I go for a lot of the time because I want those benefits of shaking the snow globe. You know, shaking the etch a sketch.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:44:18]:
Like, let’s let’s do a reset. You know? Let’s let go of this garbage that we’re carrying around. And that’s the one thing people say that they say it almost exactly the way you said it. Like, I felt like it was a lot, but then I just surrendered into it. And I never felt so relaxed and peaceful in my life. So it really is that surrender component that we’re working towards. We’re trying to raise that threshold of what we can tolerate by being able to surrender sooner. And and isn’t that a beautiful metaphor for life? Right? Surrender sooner.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:44:58]:
Not give up. Not lay down. Surrender and accept that what is is. And that allows you to make the next move. Because if you resist, you can’t effectively deal with what’s happening.

Nick Urban [00:45:12]:
This would also be a really good entry point into meditation for people because you’re just you’re not passive. You’re laying there underneath the light and closing your eyes and going through the journey. You’re conscious through the whole thing or at least some degree of conscious. And it also seems like it could be a good way to build up to meditation if you wanna do that outside of it because then all of a sudden you’re able to stay awake the whole time. And, yeah, it’s it’s it seems like it would pair nicely.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:45:42]:
Yeah. It’s I call it training wheels for meditation because we’ve got some programs. We’ve got a series of programs called meditate away, and they basically take you into deeper and deeper levels of meditation sequentially. There are 3 of them. And we’re actually working on a new series that’ll do more of that. But it really does help to be able to give the mind something to work on while you’re trying to learn to meditate. Because there’s I I can’t think of the name of the organization. It’s affiliated with, with Brown University, which is near me.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:46:20]:
It’s it’s an organization that supports people that have had negative reactions from meditation. Wow. And there’s more and more studies and work and information coming out that certain types of medicate meditation for the wrong type of people can be very negative. And we just we just kind of try a meditation here and there and hope it’s the right one for us. I work with a company called the NeuroMeditation Institute. They’re in, in Washington state. And they’ve developed 4 different kinds of meditation that you can learn, that that basically fit most of the personality types. And that makes sense to me.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:47:03]:
You take a questionnaire, you get a baseline of where you are, and then you figure out which type of meditation you want to explore based on where you scored highest. Because if somebody’s got really, really high anxiety, asking them to sit there and observe their thoughts is just crazy. You know, I mean, if somebody is angry and and and antisocial, they may not be so good at loving kindness meditation right out of the gate. You know? So, really, meditation’s a giant word and it’s a giant field. We’re in some ways providing meditative states. Absolutely. But we’re also, you know, we’re we’re we’re providing journeys and we’re also providing hypnagogic states which border on hypnosis. And we do actually have programs that are hypnosis type programs on the Roxiva.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:48:10]:
And one of the things that I’ve been doing with some of my more advanced users is teaching them how to create your own soundtrack and pair it with a light session and basically install your own behaviors into your own subconscious. Do your own programming in your own voice.

Nick Urban [00:48:32]:
That’s I wanna double click into that because a couple I guess, since last year, I learned how to one technique to reprogram the subconscious. And basically, you take the story and you it’s a long complicated process, but you use kind of 2 people for it because one person is speaking certain words into one ear of the person and the other person speaking other words, and the brain can only pick up on one dialogue at a time and the other words slip into the subconscious. So it sounds like this would be the perfect tool to get those stories and build them into a track.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:49:09]:
You could record you could record that way too. You could record 2 different stories in stereo Yeah. And then only activate the left channel for 1 and the right channel for the other. As a matter of fact, there’s a company in, I think they’re in Oregon. No. Minnesota Minnesota called, Learning Strategies, and they produce a product called paraliminals. And, the guy Paul Shealy that started this technology does exactly that. He he tells 2 different stories, and one is going in through your right headphone as one is going in through your left ear.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:49:48]:
And you only get pieces of them, but your brain is doing so much exercise trying to figure out what’s being said that it goes into that state of total receptiveness, and the suggestions go really deep. As a matter of fact, we, we have a Roxiva at Learning Strategies Corporation, and they’re working with it. And we’re gonna be putting an eye on putting together some content with them so that there’s light sessions that have the paraliminals going in the background as well, much the same as we’ve done with the Monroe Institute.

Nick Urban [00:50:23]:
That’s really cool too because the subconscious can be a hard thing to shift and to reprogram. And with customized content, specifically around the stories that we want to adapt, that’s, like, a great use case.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:50:38]:
That is something that, a lot of hypnotherapists are using our device for, a lot of psychotherapists, because we can really put people into a state of complete receptivity and have them design and install suggestions or behaviors that they they want to see in their lives or cessation of certain behaviors.

Nick Urban [00:51:04]:
So how does the hypnotherapy work if we do not record custom tracks? I haven’t done any of the sessions on the Roxiva that are hypnotherapy. What’s going on with those?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:51:13]:
Well, I mean, you can record, you can you can find affirmations anywhere. So if you wanted to, you could just run one of our hypnosis sessions without the audio track and just have the light going and then listen to affirmations or something that you want to focus on. So it’s totally possible. On YouTube, you can find anything now. You know, 30 minutes of of money affirmations, you know, the it’s out.

Nick Urban [00:51:42]:
But how is it working? Because as I understand it, the reticular activating system generally filters out that kind of information such as affirmations because it’s it doubts the validity of them based on the subconscious. So with your hypnosis sessions, how are you getting that information to to the subconscious?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:52:01]:
Well, I mean, you wanna choose affirmations that are positive and not in conflict with what exists now. So I can make money. I can, you know, like, not I am rich because, you know, I’m not rich right now. So I mean, again, that dissonance, absolutely. You can’t lie to yourself and expect your system to just take it. You there has to be that pathway. So what you’re trying to do is you’re trying to install pathways to where you wanna be. I wake up and have a healthy morning routine.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:52:44]:
I eat healthy foods. I don’t allow toxic substances into my body. You know, basically the things you want to do. Or, you know, I you know, cigarettes no longer serve me. Whatever. I mean, it it is a process of finding the appropriate just like anything. Isn’t that like anything in life though? Aren’t we always just trying to discern what the best inputs are when we’re aware of it?

Nick Urban [00:53:14]:
Well, I’m gonna have to try that. I haven’t done the hypnosis session, so looking forward to experimenting there. Are there any common things you see people using with Roxiva or stroboscopic light and audio and vibration therapies to enhance the effects or to just get more out of their journeys?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:53:33]:
I mean, we’ve got all kinds of things now. We’ve got people using PEMF mats. We’ve got people using red light mats. We’ve got people using aromatherapy, breath work, definitely. You know, people are doing breath work. People are using, devices like the Pulseto, which is the thing you put in your mouth. Stimulator. Or the I think this you know, you put it on your chest.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:53:58]:
There’s devices that can clip onto your ears, TENS type devices. So, you know, really as long as you’re not interfering with the visual path of the light coming into your eyes and you could pretty much stack anything with it, except neurofeedback. You don’t wanna do neurofeedback and Ruxio at the

Nick Urban [00:54:19]:
same time.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:54:20]:
Right after you can for integrating, you could do neurofeedback.

Nick Urban [00:54:23]:
I’m glad you mentioned integrating because I’m also curious, like, with psychedelics specifically, there’s the period after where it’s thought to reopen the critical window where you’re able to absorb and assimilate new information, make changes, and then you want to integrate during that period and, I guess, reflect and make the changes. How does this compare? Do you need to do anything after a session, or can you just go immediately about your day?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:54:49]:
Well, I like to lie there for a minute or 2 and just let it percolate. And then just get up slowly and just be intentional. And, you know, if you can’t, if something calls to you that you you have to deal with or whatever, it doesn’t negate the benefits of what happened. But, yes, ideally, you wanna create a space of time for yourself depending upon how long the session you wanna do, where you’ve got a little bit of time before to set your intentions for the session and then a little time after to integrate. And we are working on tools such as a journaling tool so that you can spend that time afterwards.

Nick Urban [00:55:32]:
Because I can see if every time the second it ended, you jumped up and ran off and got immediately into a stressful situation, your body could see a pattern form a pattern between this session and the second it ends being thrust head first into stress, and you probably wouldn’t want that.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:55:49]:
Yeah. I mean, you’re in a highly neuroplastic state. So whatever follows could get encoded.

Nick Urban [00:55:56]:
So it’s a good idea afterward to make beneficial stimulus follow?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:56:01]:
Yeah. A little self love. You know? Make a cup of tea. Just sit.

Nick Urban [00:56:05]:
What do I spend like reading? Reading or learning, is that gonna be a good time right after a session when you’re in a more neuroplastic state?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:56:11]:
Yeah. So we’ve got programs that put you into a heightened learning state. So there there are sessions that you can do and then your brain is gonna be ready to receive information. And so students that really wanna turbocharge their studying or anybody that really wants to remember something really well, yes. It’s it’s a wonderful primer.

Nick Urban [00:56:33]:
Okay. And if people want to explore this type of thing on their own before upgrading to Roxiva because they tend to be a little pricier and they’re great for coaches, consultants, wellness clinic owners, all that type of stuff, how do you recommend they explore this world to see if it’s gonna be a good fit for them?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:56:50]:
So if you go to our website, you can use the contact us form and request to, be paired up with a practitioner in your area. And, we we do that gladly and get a session and experience what it’s like. There are some consumer devices out there, that that, you know, do simpler entrainment and a little bit of brain exercise work. They’re not bad. You know, they’re they’re good devices. They’re just not doing what we do in terms of the scope and the depth and the, power of the content that we’re putting out. I mean, we we’re the only device out there that has really long form, you know, journeys up to an hour, 2 hours long where you can travel and, you know, especially so you make a very good point. Alright? If you do one of these other kind of, devices that don’t have the longer form content and aren’t designed for the full journey, you can come out of it and then be in a state that you’re not you you’re not you you don’t really wanna be in if you something negative happens.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:58:01]:
But if you do one of our longer form journeys, there’s an arc to it. So we build you up, you know, and then take you through and then drop down and then build you up a little higher. And then eventually, we bring you back to where you were so that if you don’t have the time to integrate, the integration was part of the session.

Nick Urban [00:58:19]:
I like that. I I’ve actually used and have some other devices that don’t necessarily bring you back down to baseline. And sometimes they just abruptly end or cut off. And it’s just it feels like Yes. Just being shaken.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:58:31]:
Yeah. A lot of those devices do do that. They just end abruptly.

Nick Urban [00:58:35]:
Okay. I have a couple other questions for you. Things we talked about in a previous conversation that might be interesting to cover briefly. What’s the role of the glia in the brain, and how does that relate to, religion?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:58:51]:
Religion. Wow. That wow. Okay. So I’m gonna take this in a couple of pieces. I’ll I’ll talk about the glial cells and and and what they do and and how how they work. And then I’ll see if I can relate it to religion somehow. So the glia is kind of like a film.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [00:59:14]:
There’s it’s like cells that coat all of the outside of your brain in between the brain and the skull. And it’s kind of like the fascia on your muscles. So it kinda gives the structure to if you didn’t have fascia on your arms then your muscles would all be loose and, like, protruding against your skin. So it gives structure so that there can be structure. And the glia does the same thing. It it kind of creates a net around the brain. But at the same time, it also is a conductive type material so that it creates a field around around the brain. Now that field is what we read when we put somebody in an MRI or when we put a sensor on the scalp because we don’t really know if the potential of a neurofeedback sensor is reading is actually what’s, you know, right there in the brain at that time or if it’s a residual of something that happened deep in the brain that just kind of wiggles its way out through all the layers.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [01:00:19]:
Alright? So what happens is and I mentioned earlier that you can actually read thoughts of people by putting the right apparatus on, is that it’s transmitting. And it’s transmitting like your aura, basically. It it’s a field that comes out of your head. And now I know why you asked about religion. So back in olden times when somebody was really pure of mind and thought and spirit and soul, they were depicted with a halo around their head, which meant that the field that their brain was putting out was white. It was pure. It was golden. And so there was a sense of of pristine kind of purity.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [01:01:09]:
And that is what they’re able to see now on people that have done the work. These Tibetan monks that do, you know, 40 years of Zen. They have that field that, like, wow. And that’s why gamma is so beautiful. Gamma is that connection to source frequency.

Nick Urban [01:01:30]:
And the experience I feel when I enter gamma is a relaxed alertness. I think I’ve heard it described as, and to me, it’s like the flow state and it feels like a different perspective in a way. It’s it’s really hard to describe what Gamma feels like.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [01:01:46]:
Yeah. Yeah. No. It’s it’s it’s beautiful. It really is. I love Gamma.

Nick Urban [01:01:50]:
Okay. I also wanna ask you about something you mentioned that seemed fascinating and probably could be a whole another podcast, and that is what is holonomic brain theory?

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [01:02:00]:
Right. So, doctor Carl Pribram, has been well, he passed. But, he was one of the primary researchers in, in holonomic brain theory. And actually, I can also reference doctor Rupert Sheldrick who actually is a proponent of, the morphogenic field. And so the they’re kind of related morphogenic fields and holonomic brain theory because the idea is that there is a perfect and, you know, actually, Plato alluded to this in in the forms. Like, there is such a thing as chairness. And then every chair on the planet is an expression of chairness in lesser or greater degree, and some are closer to that perfect ideal. Okay? And so with holonomic brain theory and the morphogenetic field, what we’re expressing in the world is Nick ness or Raphael ness, that that that ideal blueprint for what is what we’re supposed to be.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [01:03:13]:
And it’s all of those sins of nature and nurture that prevent us from expressing that fully, whether they be epigenetic or environmental. And so, if you just look at the being as being the being and my consciousness is created in my brain simply by the fact that I have a brain and when I flat line that’s it, lights out, Nothing anymore. Then that’s kind of a, you know, almost like atheism. Like a nihilistic kind of, way of approaching things. Where if you feel that there is a soul perhaps, whatever you choose to call it, or a higher self, then that is coming through and being received by the brain in some way and manifested through the brain. Okay? And so holonomic brain theory states that nothing specifically lives anywhere in the brain. Like, I I there is not, like, a spot, like, with coordinates in my brain that if I found the coordinates that I could find the memory of my falling down the stairs when I was a little kid and erase it. Okay? There was a movie, out, once where I forgot the name of it, but it was a really good movie.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [01:04:42]:
And, and, like, it was 2 a couple that tried to have each other erased from their brains after they broke up. And, oh, I can’t remember the name, but it’s a really good one. And maybe you can drop it in the the the notes later. But, but, basically, it was it was they decided that they didn’t wanna do it after all. They wanted to preserve the memories. And so they resisted and they found, like, places they could go and hide in each other’s mind and still find each other, you know. And, like, I think of that the same way that that really we are all everything and we’re a we’re a holistic system. That our mind is actually not just our brains but our brains and our bodies.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [01:05:24]:
And that’s why we’re finding now brain cells in the heart and brain cells in the gut. Why do they need to be there if the brain’s doing all the heavy lifting? You know? So I believe holonomic brain theory states that we’re a holistic organism. We are designed to work in totality. And that, yes, science can dissect and do pieces parts and look at, you know, different parts and say this might be happening here, but nobody knows exactly what’s going on, which is why the they call it the hard problem of consciousness. Yes. You know, we still don’t know what consciousness is.

Nick Urban [01:06:03]:
Or where it lives.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [01:06:04]:
And, yeah, or where it lives. And so that’s why we’re trying to explore it. And I personally like the idea better that my consciousness is driving around in this Rafael car right now. And that when this vehicle gets too old to be serviceable, that consciousness will go somewhere else.

Nick Urban [01:06:27]:
Well, that’s a good way to wrap this one up, Rafael. If people want to try Roxiva, you mentioned they can find a practitioner near them. You also have your website roxiva.com. And I don’t know if you guys are active on social media.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [01:06:42]:
Yeah. We have a Facebook page, Roxiva. We have, Instagram which is roxiva dot innovations. And let’s see. If you type in roxiva, I think the dot innovations will populate itself. So we there we’re gonna be doing more. We don’t do much on TikTok. We do a little bit, but keep your eyes open.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [01:07:04]:
There’s there’s a lot of good stuff coming, and, we’re excited to help people really discover the possibilities and capabilities of their minds, their brains, and their spirit.

Nick Urban [01:07:16]:
Nice. And I have reviewed the Roxiva RX 1 Lite that I have right here. So you guys can find that in the show notes for this episode. There’s an article. I’ll probably create a video on it at some point. But, Ralph, thank you for joining the podcast. It’s been a pleasure hosting you today.

Raffaele Gianfrancesco [01:07:33]:
It was wonderful. Thank you for having me, Nick.