In this episode of Mind Body Peak Performance, Jay Campbell and Nick Urban uncover the tools in Jay’s new book “30 Days to Shredz.” They discuss the power of intermittent fasting and performance enhancers for rapid fat loss. They also explore potential setbacks if the protocol is done improperly.
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About Jay Campbell
Jay Campbell is a 4 times international best-selling author a men’s physique champion and founder of the Jay Campbell brand and podcast. He’s recognized as one of the world’s leading experts on hormonal optimization, and therapeutic peptides. Jay dedicated his life to helping teach men and women how to fully optimize their health, while also instilling the importance of raising their consciousness. Jay’s website, which has been around since 2006, offers some of the most deeply researched articles on the topics of hormone optimization, peptides, fat loss, fitness, and spirituality.
Top things you’ll learn from Jay Campbell
- How fasting works to eliminate fat from the body
- Fat loss around the belly and hips occurs after reaching a certain fasting level
- Muscle loss doesn’t have to occur during fasting
- Autophagy and Hormesis occur after 18 hours of fasting
- What biohacking agents to use to optimize fasting
- GLP 1 agonists are used to improve depression and habit changes
- Tirzepatide and Semaglutide are good for decreasing caloric intake and increasing physical activity
- Tesofensine can decrease appetite and increase metabolic function
- Metformin and Dihydroberberine are recommended supplements for GLP-1 agonist users
- Phentermine is a powerful weight-loss agent and appetite suppressant
- Hormone regulation (especially testosterone) is crucial for beginning a proper fat loss program
- “Cytokine” storms cause inflammation, causing biological pain, causing psychological suffering due to chronic pain, and weight gain
- Book: The Testosterone Optimization Therapy Bible: The Ultimate Guide to Living a Fully Optimized Life by Jay Campbell
- Book: Burn Fat with the Metabolic Blowtorch Diet: The Ultimate Guide for Optimizing Intermittent Fasting: Burn Fat, Preserve Muscle, Enhance Focus and Transform Your Health
- Book: The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding: The Bible of Bodybuilding, Fully Updated and Revised
- Author: Barbara Marciniak
- Books: Ramtha’s Teachings
Nick Urban [00:00:05]:
Howdy, folks. Welcome back to episode number 114 of the Mindbody Peak Performance podcast with your host, Nick Urban. So today, we are continuing last week’s episode on all things therapeutic peptides. But this time, we’re specifically focusing on fat loss. That’s right. Our guest has a special program and a book that he’s recently released called Shortcut To Shreads, which is one of the most effective fat loss programs created to date. In case you missed last week’s episode, Jay Campbell is a 4 time international best selling author, a men’s physique champion, and the founder of the Jay Campbell brand. He’s best known for his well thought out, well researched articles, and teaching around all things, hormone optimization, and therapeutic peptides. And now, fat loss. I hope you enjoy this episode as much as we enjoyed chatting. The show notes will be at mindbodypeak.com/andthenthenumberone14. Alright. Sit back, relax, and enjoy this conversation
Nick Urban [00:01:19]:
with Jay Campbell. We’ll move on to your new work now, and that is the buckling book, I believe it’s called 30 days 2 Shreds with the number 2 and Shreds with a z. So You’ve mentioned one small molecule a second ago that I have and I’ve been using, and that is Tesofensine. And I find it really interesting. But for me, ironically, the biggest side effect that I didn’t like is that it suppresses my appetite too well. If I take it today, I won’t have an appetite today or tomorrow, and my appetite will start coming back the day after, which is profound because I usually consume between
Jay Campbell [00:01:56]:
3500 and 4000 calories a day. Wow. Yeah. I mean, that’s you’re one of the lucky ones. I mean, there’s there’s no question that there’s an appetite suppressing fact in the literature with Tesofensine, but it usually isn’t showing shown or seen until a couple months of using. And then also there’s also a you know, a metabolic effect. Right? There is a, quote unquote, you know, what’s the word I wanna look for? An encumpling. you know, after about 4 or 5 months. So yeah, dude. It’s one of those holy grail, you know, agents in that and it dramatically improves BDNF. Right? It’s a brain derived neurotrophic factor. It increases that. It’s noticeable. I mean, most people who take Tesofensine whether you take a lower dose of 250 grams or higher dose of 500 milligrams within a day and sometimes, dude, it’s like within a couple hours, you feel improved well-being. And that’s because your mind is releasing all this BDNF. So you can easily you know, if you’re a creator, you I mean, I tell people this all the time. Like, If you’re a creator like us, you gotta use me to test a fancy. I mean, I mean, it just puts you into a flow state so much faster than not And, again, you know, depending on where you live, as you know this, I mean, like, dude, the world is so contaminated. You know, you eat one you know, or take one bad thing that night before, and then you wake up in the morning and you’re like, what happened to me? It’s like, you know, you wanna how can we get back into a, quote, unquote, creative mind state, well, BDNF from Tesofensine will put you there. I I will say, you know, just to be, you know, clear 90% of people who use Test Tesofensine absolutely love. Right? I don’t get a lot of complaints, but there are people and, again, this is my pet theory. who do they can’t they can’t stay asleep, and they can’t go to sleep on it. They’re so wired. They’re such in a flow state. They’re literally, like, laying again, in the bed, staring at the ceiling, thinking, like, what do I gotta do? Who do I owe money to? You know what I mean? Like, the mind won’t shut down. So it’s, like, I mean, I I mean, I did not have hundreds. Usually, it’s women. And, again, I’ll I’ll give you my pet theory, but I’ve had hundreds of women message me you know, across comms saying, oh my god. I love this. I’m so grateful that you taught me about this. But, dude, and then it’s like, I can’t use it. I I won’t sleep. And then I you know, so I start thinking, like, what is what is the commonality? What is the common thread here all these women they’re having the same thing. And so it hit me one day. I was like, I bet it when we’re using SSRIs. So I started messaging them back and sure enough, dude, I wanna talk to 5 of them. Well, a long time ago or at one time so I have this weird again, it’s just a pet theory. And if you use SSRIs or were prescribed SSRIs at some point in your life, Tesofensine, which, by the way, is not SSRI. I want people to be clear about this. It was an orphaned drug that was originally geared to treat depression, not as an SSRI though. It was a dopamine agonist, but I want people to know this is not an SSRI because I’ve had people come at me on this. It triggers or turns on or reactivates or maybe even deactivates specific pathways in the brain that I think the SSRIs did bad things to. And so now you start reintroducing Tesofensine in your life and all of a sudden, a lot of those calm dormant pathways fire back on And so that’s what’s happening with these people that can’t sleep on this. Like, flight they’ve got all these things that were shut off or deactivated or maybe just destroyed. firing back on. And that’s what, you know, I think it is. It’s like your all this BDNF that you were naturally capable of making got blasted and turned off from the SSRI, which you and I both know are horrible drugs. You know, they cause permanent alteration to the brain pathways I’m thinking Tesofensine turns them back on. And so all these people are now, like, I don’t I never had these on for so long. They’re back on again, and I can’t sleep. So the the the the solution for these people, if you’re one of these people, is to lower the dose. So it was the original dose. The clinical recommendation is 500 milligrams, which is when I started taking in December. Is it milligrams or micrograms? Micrograms. 500. And in in 2021, I’m glad you caught me on that because I always miss these up. But on on on in in I started in December of 2021, And I took that until February of this year, not straight. I took some time off, but I Chris, the owner of limitless started making it lower dose because he had the same issues with all these women. And so he’s like, you know what? Let me just make a lower dose and see what happens. that usually alleviates the issue. So the people that have a problem at 500 micrograms are now at 2:50, and they don’t have the same problem. So, personally, after using 500 as long as I did, you know, on and off for about 15 months, dude, I don’t notice a difference now from 250 to 500. the same BDNF stimulation. I don’t I I saw, look, you know, full disclosure. I never had an issue with it. You know, I would always go to sleep. It it never, like, overstimulated me. I did not have the appetite suppression that you had for sure, but I just feel amazing on it. Like, I mean, I love stuff. Right? And and I know a lot of other people do too, but consider yourself lucky. I I definitely have had some people that told me they’d notice the appetite suppression, but not as strong as you. So that’s actually great that that’s happening for you. So, I mean, you’re gonna be one of those people that’s like, this is like a can’t miss, must have because, again, it’s increasing creative state flow. It’s suppressing appetite and then, you know, after 3 or 4 months of consistent usage, it’s also increasing you know, metabolic production or, you know, it’s it’s basically an encoupler. So you’re gonna have fat loss from it too. And the way it works, is that is it a triple monoamine
Nick Urban [00:07:58]:
reuptake inhibitor, meaning that increases dopamine and serotonin and other I think is it nor is it noradrenaline?
Jay Campbell [00:08:05]:
Text yes. It technically is but it’s not in the same class as an SSRI would be in the same way. So, you know, that’s where people will argue and debate. Well, you know, you know, you’re just using a semantic argument. Well, no. Not really because so so here’s the thing. and you can test this on yourself, and I’ve tested this on myself and a lot of other people. And this is again also in the clinical research. There is no receptor attenuation or addiction from this drug. You can cold turkey withdrawal this drug. At any point in time, you will not have any effects. And I have done this for myself where I went off of a cold turkey for 2 months straight, never once felt like I had to take it. You know, never once felt like I woke up in the morning. I was like, why am I not on my Tesofensine? You know what I mean? So, I mean, that’s that’s to me is proof that it’s nothing like an SSRI because good luck. If you did that with an SSRI that you were running for 3 months or 4 months or 6 months and you would tell to do that, you would have definite effects.
Nick Urban [00:09:08]:
Alright. Well, we got sidetracked on one particular compound. Tell me about your book and your methodology. I mean, you mentioned it briefly at the beginning, but I wanna hear more about what you’ve been working on. Yeah. For sure. So 30 days to shreds,
Jay Campbell [00:09:22]:
is essentially the book teaching people how to use all these new you know, enhanced peptides and gray market agents for fat loss to lose the most amount of body fat possible in 30 days or less. Now granted The entire program is based on alternate day fasting combined with tirzepatide or simeaglutide or perhaps even both. But everything is designed to go into it, you know, wherever you are and come out of it in 30 days. dropping your body fat in the most advanced, most precise maximum amount possible. And, again, it’s all programmed based on whether or not you’re a newbie, you’re advanced, or you’re, again, fully effing optimized. So all of the programming is based around where you are at a quote unquote fitness, fat loss, and fasting level. And then, you know, we tell you the truth. You know, we’re like, look, if you use this agent and don’t use this agent, you can’t you’re not gonna get the same effects. And and the reason obviously we love tirzepatide and semaglutide is the GLP 1 agonist is most people who struggle with fasting have hunger pangs they can’t overcome. With these new GLP 1 agonists, that’s not an excuse anymore. because people can literally go 24 to 26 hours without even being hungry. So when you take that awareness and then you program it into a diet slash lifestyle protocol that we’ve created in 30 days to shreds, bro. You can easily do 4 days a week. Okay? out of 7 and then times that, you know, over a 4 week process. Right? So you’ve got 16 days in a 30 day window where you don’t eat food. but you do cardio twice a day. You, you know, are taking obviously other agents and metabolic accelerants. And, of course, this is not disturbing your sleep. I mean, some people might sleep a little bit less because, you know, when you’re fasting for 24 to 26 hours, you can definitely have you know, increase in Jorelin and, you know, some other biochemical cascades and pathways, which may keep you awake. But if you do the other things that we talk about, like, taking out tone in correctly and in high dosages and stuff, you’ll sleep fine. But you will just I mean, it’s dude, it’s insane the amount of fat loss you can experience in 30 days or less. And, again, it’s not it’s not relative to genetics. It has nothing to do with body type or, you know, whether or not your somatocytosis, you know, muscular hyper muscular versus like, you know, skinny fat. I mean, it doesn’t matter who you are. if you follow the instructions and you get the, obviously, peptide fat loss agents that we recommend and, you know, some of the other things like even maybe this, the amount of fat loss that you can have in 30 days due to this insane. And and and and and and this is important, it’s maintainable fat. So it’s not crash diet, regain, destroy thyroid, you know, slower or lower metabolism and, you know, have all the rebound weight gain that most people do from crash diets or, you know, water fast or any of this other bullshit this is literally designed so that you will lose the most amount of body fat possible in 30 days and feel good doing it. And, you know, obviously, when you’re alternate fasting, On the days that you train and the days that you eat, which are the same days, you pretty much eat whatever you want. Now, obviously, the caveat being if you’re £400 that’s not possible. Right? But if it’s me and you and you’re doing it to get to say 5% body fat, you absolutely can’t. So, again, the human body is a very dynamic homeostatic, you know, organism, and it seeks homeostasis. So if you’re fasting every other day and on the fasting days, you’re also throwing in all these again metabolic accelerants. And then on the next day, you’re eating and you’re eating relatively un unrestrained and you’re increasing cardiac I mean, carbohydrate consumption, you know, controlling for insulin, your body is in, quote, unquote, hey, water mode. So one day, it’s like it’s conserving and one day, it’s consuming And so it never ever adapt to a place of like it becomes, you know, metabolically resistant. So you’re constantly varying your body’s, you know, caloric intake and, obviously, metabolic rate, you know, through thyroid and all that stuff. So it just it it it
Nick Urban [00:13:43]:
put it this way. It works for everyone. Yeah. Look, I love that you’re mentioning that it’s a pulsation because the body adapts to things very well. If you don’t do that, that can lead to a stall stalling progress or even going backwards and having detrimental effects.
Jay Campbell [00:14:00]:
There’s a lot of people out there in the biohacking space talking smack about these agents. And the the truth of what they’re saying is, you know, it needs to be deciphered. And that is a lot of people are saying it causes muscle loss. You know, it causes metabolic issues after coming off. All of those things are true for the record, but only in the people who are uninformed when they use these agents. And, unfortunately, like everybody else in the world, that’s the normal case. Right? You get a physician who doesn’t understand how to actually teach a person how to body fat correctly or how to maintain it or keep it off. And now you’re having these people script them these powerful, you know, appetite suppressing and controlling drugs like tirzepatide or someanglutide. And, bro, they won’t eat. Right? And they think that’s good. And if you’re a morbidly obese person and you see the scale dropping and your pants and your waist dropping, You’re not gonna listen to a Jake Campbell or a Ben Greenfield or a Mark citizen. Tell you, no, dude. You gotta build muscle and lift weights, and you gotta eat more protein. So it’s all within context. And the reality is is if you do this right and, again, obviously, this book is gonna provide a blueprint you know, guide in how to do this, you will be blown away at how profound the changes are. And, again, like I said, the changes are maintainable. because they’re now finding out that the GLP 1 agonists are changing habits or hap you know, habits formation in the brain. There’s all sorts of research coming out now that they’re improving depression. Right? Like, we wrote about that, you know, in my the other day, an article just came out in nature about how they’re seeing that people have been on semaglutide for 2 years literally are not depressed anymore. So, I mean, again but it’s all it all makes sense. Right? Like, you lose body fat. You start feeling good. You start, you know, looking good. and it changes your mindset. It changes your mental state. You become less depressive and more positive. Right? Because you see things in a different way. You know, you don’t think of yourself in in a less than or, you know, a, quote, unquote, lack perspective anymore. You’re now like, oh, wow. Like, this is the new me. Right? So it’s it’s it’s changing a lot of habits, you know, that people were preprogrammed before to have is negative, and it’s making things a lot more positive. So You know, I’m, dude, I’m very pro on these new metabolic accelerant slash peptides that help people. It’s just about now less you know, not not lecturing, but teaching people how to use them in the correct way within the context of health and longevity and not listening to the mainstream media tell them that it’s the, you know, blah blah blah. And look, as I told you off the air, if you don’t do this right and you do take too much of this peptide or this GLP 1 agonist or don’t eat enough protein and don’t lift weights and do all these things. Then, yes, all these negative potential side effects can happen to you. But, again, context is key. And if you do everything within the context of the way it’s supposed to be done, you will not have any of those negative issues.
Nick Urban [00:17:04]:
Yeah. I hadn’t heard that about depression improving after a course of this. But I guess it makes sense because if you decrease inflammation throughout the body. You decrease neural inflammation. That’s gonna increase and up level your baseline state. And then also what you were saying earlier about the dangers and the drawbacks. One thing that I was thinking of when you first started describing it with the alternate day fasting is that for someone relatively lean like you and me, that’s gonna be difficult to maintain that muscle. And I was wondering if you would burn more muscle as a percentage,
Jay Campbell [00:17:41]:
then you would fat if you’re already lean or if this would be better for people who are more overweight. So it’s a it’s a great question, and and it’s a great comment. We actually even have a chapter in here to address this. So if you’re not hormonally optimized, Meaning, you’re not using therapeutic testosterone, you’re not using peptides, and you and you go down this path and you use some of these drugs and you’re not fat. You know, is there a possibility that you could probably lose a little bit of muscle if you wanna extremely cautious and you weren’t, you know, eating enough protein and stuff. Yes. And, again, this is in the clinical research. But if you’re hormonally optimized using peptides, and doing everything else. Right? You’re not going to lose muscle. There was one scientific study done on Olympic caliber athletes in Canada, and it was from dude, it was from the seventies. And it was an alternate day fastening ripped study, and it was over a 120 days. And it showed that and these guys were elite Olympic Caliber athletes no one in the study lost any muscle at all. And, again, this is the elite of elite athletes. I’m sure they were in hand. Of course, that wasn’t covered. But back then in the Olympics, if you were a track and field sprint or or athlete, you were probably on the sauce. Not one person lost any muscle under 72 hours without food. Now, again, these are hydrated athletes. You know, this is not, like, not drinking water. I mean, you know, probably taking electrolytes, but they were not eating food. So I always tell people, like, I don’t give a — who you are, don’t believe the hype or the blow scientist because, again, dude, the body building culture is they really do convince themselves that they don’t eat every 4 hours they lose muscle. You know, these big guys, £300, you know, juice to the gills will be like, yeah. But I’m not a normal bro. you know, okay. Well, great, dude. But you, even at that size and that enhanced level with all of that protein accretion and consumption, like, you aren’t still not going to burn muscle at any kind of accelerated weight beyond 48 hours without food. So now, again, you know, that’s not to take into mind that these guys aren’t dying because their bodies are like machines, and they need food. And how are they gonna go 48 hours? But you’re not gonna burn muscle. So in reality, you’re not gonna lose muscle. You know, every other day, a fasting you know, you can again, all these guys in the book from the photos that we have and the measurements that are in the book, you’ll see if anything they probably gained half a pound of muscle. People don’t realize that when a person is obese, they have literally a massive cytokine storm flowing through their body at all times. So these people are not healthy, but they’re also, as you said, depressive because they’re in pain
Nick Urban [00:20:35]:
Jay Campbell [00:20:37]:
Like, you cannot be a metabolic more likely dysregulated obese human being and not suffer. And, again, this is biological. This is not mental, which obviously we know they have mental suffer too because they’re being humiliated, fun of, you know, mistreated in the workplace, mistreated in public. You know, when somebody walks up to a very morbidly obese person, usually they don’t you know, you know, they’re just they’re not treated the same, bro. Let’s just be honest. They’re not given equal treatment. So you’re right. You you’d lose that weight. You get rid of all these inflammatory, you know, again, calm cytokine storms that are all through their body. Of course, they’re gonna have an increased improved mindset. Of course, they’re gonna have more positive thought processes. Of course, they’re gonna have more, quote unquote, freedom to see what I call the divine, you know, nature or downloads of put source consciousness because you’re not paying any.
Nick Urban [00:21:28]:
Yeah. And that’s the thing that you mentioned that obesity is in to carrying around extra body fat is much more than just an aesthetic problem. It really translates
Jay Campbell [00:21:37]:
all the way across the board into your entire quality of life. Totally, man. And and look, man, I have obesity that runs in my family without getting, you know, caught up in this. Like, my mom died 3 months ago, and she was morbidly obese for 30 years of her life. And she really didn’t even have much of a will to live other than she was afraid of dying. choose more caught up in a in in in the fear of dying than, like, letting go because, bro, she was suffering. I mean, my mom was suffering. You know? And so it’s like, I have experienced this firsthand. So if there’s there’s anything that I can do as my mission now in the world is, like, I truly wanna help people get over being dysregulated metabolically and quote unquote hot you know, having too much body fat. And, obviously, it it affects so many people. Men and women, you know, not just in the west everywhere in the planet. And, again, it’s because our food is contaminated. Our environment is contaminated. Our airspace is contaminated. Our water is contaminated. So it’s like, you know, how can we teach people in this age of abundance because it is an age of abundance. It’s not a lack mindset, but, of course, all of those people have a lack mindset because as you said, Nick, like, every morning, they wake up in pain.
Nick Urban [00:22:51]:
Tell me some more about the different things, different classes of ingredients or things that you do for people who are already beyond the beginner stage, maybe in the intermediate or advanced. Are there any other molecules or agents that you find interesting?
Jay Campbell [00:23:05]:
Oh, yeah, man. Like, I mean, Like you said, so fully effing optimized in the book is the kitchen sink. Right? So it’s like, are you willing to do whatever it takes but not, you know, putting yourself in danger, but, you know, quote unquote, do whatever it takes to get there in 30 days. You know, here’s some stuff you can take. Well, I mean, like, I mean, So, like, phentermine so you remember the book the drug fen fen phen. Right? So all these people, like, lost all this weight and then all these people sued because we’re, again, obese people having heart issues and stuff like that. fen phen was a gnarly drug. But Phentermine was a part of fen phen, not agent that was killing people, but it was an amazing potent, you know, call it a mimetic to enhance metabolism and delay appetite. Well, people have forgotten about that, dude, that’s over the counter of Mexico. Right? So when you start, like, taking a modulated dosage of that and really a modulated dosage of that is 15 milligrams. It’s a 30 milligram tablet. And you space that out with your Tesofensine, dude. I mean because that also enhances metabolic rate. Right? So, like, you can take Tesofensine in the morning and take your Phentermine in the afternoon before you do second set of cardio. And, again, I’m obviously giving you very advanced hacks right now, dude. Super fat loss. Super cellular respiration. You know, throw this in too if you wanna take this before your second cardio session at night, And, again, this is advanced stuff. Like, I’m not telling people to take all 3 of these things, but you absolutely can. And I’ve done it myself and other guys in my group have done it myself and, you know, to with to to no issue, you know, other than, you know, the issue might be that your pants fall off and you have to get new clothes. But to answer your question too, you know, obviously, peptides, you know, if you depending on your age, you know, if you’re in your thirties, Ipamorelin or test them around. If you’re in your forties or older, growth hormone, You know, obviously, you know, make sure you don’t have a testosterone deficiency. If you do have a testosterone deficiency, both whether you’re a male or female, you know, get your hormones optimized. You know, obviously, we’re talking about surgically precise dosages here. We’re not talking about amyloid steroids. You know, there’s other nootropics This is a bioregulator from Russia, also a brain. This is so this is Benetil. Can you see that? So, I mean, this is fucked it. I mean, like, I mean, I again, because Test Open’s team worked so profoundly in me. I don’t really need any of these things. Right? Like but if I really want to fast because one of the things that we talk about in this book to really, you know, enhance the game of fat loss in 30 days is to go an entire weekend without eating. Right? So your last meal is Friday night, say, 7 o’clock. And then Saturday Sunday, cardio twice both days, and you don’t eat again until Monday morning. If you do that, you know, 3 weekends out of a 4 weekend month, dude. Now you did ask me, I’ll I’ll just end it with this. I don’t have it yet. I wish I did. But there is an agent coming, which we we write about in the book called Reta Truotide. which is literally gonna be a triple agonist. Right? So semaglutide is a single agonist, tirzepatide is a double agonist, retotruotide will be a triple agonist. So imagine taking a peptide that you inject once a week, and you might not need anything else. Maybe you take your growth hormone and your testosterone or something, but, like, the rhodatrutide will be hitting all levels of fat loss. Right? So it enhances metabolism, enhances cellular respiration, and it and increases or improves brown out of your position, which is white fat, you know, which also enhances cellular metabolism while you’re walking around. Right? So, essentially, you’re gonna be like a fat burning machine with one shot a week, which, ultimately, if it works when in the theory that they think, I mean, probably, it could eliminate obesity.
Nick Urban [00:27:03]:
So now I understand part of the protocol in order to eliminate some of the muscle loss you may have as you you’re still using other peptides and, like, other strategies of maintaining and getting some of that muscle sparing effect, are you using anything on the days off, like essential amino acids or anything
Jay Campbell [00:27:21]:
like like that during the, like, quote fast? Yeah. So all of those so that’s kitchen sink. So all of those, if you have access to them, can afford them, can get them, are all great. I mean, In truth, you’re really just eating unrestrained. Right? So it’s like on your on your training and eating day, you’re eating 3 to 6 times You’re not really caring. I mean, again, you’re not eating pizzas and Mountain Dews. Right? But, like, you should be eating cleaned carbohydrates, you know, yams, white rice, you know, quinoa, oatmeal, you know, stuff like that. with, obviously, the right kind of, you know, wild caught fish, grass fed meats.
Nick Urban [00:28:02]:
And and again, you’re you’re eating to a point where, like, you feel, you know, good. But on the fasting days on the fasting days, is it appear fast, or are you adding some other things into that that might
Jay Campbell [00:28:14]:
So the only thing you would add is, like and I’m not fasting today. Today is a training day for me, but, like, an electoral like, down here in Mexico, this is called what is the name of this store electrolyte. And it’s a 0 electrolyte. Yeah. It’s a 0 electrolyte. It’s like Propel or something like that in the States. And I throw in And there’s a lot of these different ones too. Right? Like so this is noon, and this is like a caffeine tablet. But there’s also you know, there’s ones with salt. and stuff like that. But, yeah, it’s pretty much just no calories, you know, ad caffeine. So if you wanna drink black coffee — — knows either. Yeah. No aminos. No. No. Absolutely. No protein. No fat. Nothing on fasting days. And you just get to a place where your body just becomes extremely fast adapted. You’re definitely in tranche ketosis. We talk about this in the book. And, obviously, when you’re in ketosis, it’s pretty much muscle sparing. you know, again, relatively speaking, you know, 24 to 26 to 30 hours or not. Even even if you go hardcore Friday night. And, again, we don’t recommend this. This is all explained in the book. We don’t recommend doing an entire weekend of fasting until you’re really fast adapted. You know? And by the way, the first chapter is quizzing you. Where are you? Right? So just because you’re advanced in this level doesn’t mean you’re advanced in the rest of it. So it’s like you gotta pass a bunch of, you know, red flags to actually be fully effed and optimized to do it. So it’s like if you’re not there, we don’t recommend you go down this path because you’re not gonna get ultimate results. So You know, we we do a heavy quantification process in this book of placing people where they need to be. But if you’re somebody who’s already fasted for 3 days and had no issues in your life when you did that, then you’re ready to be fully effed and optimized. Because you’ve already turned on some of the machinery in the brain you know, and obviously, the metabolism that says I’m fast adapted, I can go this long. But, bro, most people, you know, they’re so reactive and emotional base that they can’t go 4 hours without food. You know what I mean? So you have to train your body’s microbiome to get to a level where you’re not angry you know, after 6 to 8 to 10, 12 hours. And, you know, that’s why we say the the best process of this is learning to do, you know, the Martin Burkans fasting, which is the fasting. But, you know, 16 hours without food, and then, you know, progress from there. But in, you know, in my book, the blowtorch diet, which, you know, was old now, seven years old. We talked about, you know, the of autophagy and Hormesis is not really occurring until you’re 18 hours into a fast. And, again, there’s tons of scientific research that shows this. Right? And, again, when you are then that process and your body becomes very fast adapted and regulated to that, that’s when you have all of the firefly hormones, the catecholamines, which are mobilizing stored body fat. Right? So it’s like the real fat loss in fasting comes between 20:24 hours. That’s when you have all the biochemical cascades that allow you to, you know, at least you physiologically to mobilize the belly fat, you know, for women, it’s like in the, you know, the hip thigh, glut thigh, you know, tie in. That’s when the loss in those areas come off, but it’s not until you get to that level. And so then once you become mentally again, I call it fast adapted to going that long, it’s amazing how fast the fat loss starts falling off. It doesn’t and and and that’s what I’m saying. It only takes a month of doing this.
Nick Urban [00:31:41]:
Yeah. Okay. So I’ll last topic is to talk a little bit more about the GLP 1 agonist because they become really hot, and I wanna get your take on a couple of things. and then we’ll do a rapid fire round and call it a day. Awesome, man. Alright. So one of my concerns about the GOP agonist, and I’d be I love to hear your thoughts on it. is that they elevate GLP 1 and insulin a lot longer than you can get naturally. And so it it doesn’t really follow the principles of biomimicry of, like, trying to replicate what’s naturally happening. And then also there’s the caveat of getting the dose right because if you accidentally do ten times the dose of adding the GLP ones, you’re gonna be really hurting.
Jay Campbell [00:32:23]:
You had to say that, didn’t you? So yeah. So we talked off air. So, yes, everything these are great questions. So let me just say with the caveat of what you said. If you’re a peptide user and you’re not experienced and you jump into GLP 1 agonist and you don’t know how to reconstitute you don’t have, let’s just call it, compounder or pharmacist slash doctors instructions to the letter you’re playing with fire. Okay? because as you just made a fun funny out of it, I’ve had people literally come to me and say, dude, I have no idea what you’re talking about. I thought I was gonna die. I couldn’t eat for 5 or 6 days. And then I’m, you know, I’m backtrack with them, and I’m like, what are you talking about? And then they tell me they injected the entire vial of tirzepatide at one sitting. It’s like insane. So to answer your question, so a bunch of things are, in my opinion, highly highly necessary when you’re using GLP 1 agonist. You have to either be on metformin or dihydroberate. Okay? Because both of those you know, supplement slash meds are going to massively and dramatically suppress your blood glucose, control your insulin sensitivity to make you much more insulin of so yeah. So those things what you’re saying when you take them are all true. So metformin and dihydroaburba. And, by the way, there’s a lot of people that use those together Right? Because the hydro bourbon will suppress and and also allow for glucose disposal better than metformin will by itself. So if you’re using both of them, you’re giving yourself like a never ending suppression of blood glucose while at the same time heightening insulin sensitivity, which is a great thing, but something else you said that I want to address is and this is where people this up. You cannot use these things and then think that you can’t also change your lifestyle from a dietary perspective. to not live insulin control. So all of these people that are suffering and having these side effects and feeling like and I’ve heard the stupidest stories from people. And you can’t continue to be a human garbage disposal and take these things and think they’re gonna work because, bro, If anything, they’re going to regulate you to a place where you’re gonna be nauseous. And you are gonna vomit, and you are gonna be like, your body is telling you, oh my god, I’m treating my body like a dumpster fire while I’m on these agents, and these agents are so strong and profound, and they’re a that they’re literally making me get rid of this stuff because they’re like garbage in, garbage out, bro. And, again, how hard is it from a meal prep standpoint to live your life of, like, okay. Today, I can eat tomorrow. I don’t eat. Right? Now let me say that. Let me let me break that because, again, depending on how fat you are and how much metabolic derangement you have. Me and you, we don’t have to go 24 hours without eating. you know, if we’re gonna break our fast, let’s say we go 18 to 20 to 21 hours without food, we get on top of a jean hornetis, we do our second cardio session, You know? We’re burning fat. We’re looking lean. We can see our abs. Blah blah blah. You know, we break our fast at night. How do you wanna eat? Well, again, simple. The higher the fat, the lower the carbohydrate consumption. The less the body fat, the more carbs you can eat. Now, again, I’m not telling you to stuff in for sweet potatoes. Right? But if you wanna eat a sweet potato and maybe some sea bass and some broccoli or asparagus or something like that, or maybe even a sweet potato and a half. And, again, you know, you’re a lean person already, that’s fine. But if you’re fat and you get inflamed and you’re just not the metabolic, you know, picture of health, no carbs if you’re breaking your fast. Right? Like, you should be eating a protein shake with, like, MCT oil and cinnamon and vanilla extract or something like that, or, you know, you’re eating rib eye with broccoli or asparagus. we have to be cognizant and recognize what we are metabolically and then use that contextually with what we eat. and I see way too many people go 20 to 21 hours of fasting and do everything right and then break it by eating, like, that one meal and overconsuming, you know, carbohydrates. So, again, everything is always relevant to your body fat level your insulin resistance. And from there, you kinda modify and augment as you go. If you’re a lean person, obviously, you can get away with much more carbohydrates and you can probably even get away with eating weight. Now one caveat that I love to add to this is that this is why I like not eating at all. on the fasting days. You know, if you start looking at the quote unquote Mediterranean diet, the paleo type lifestyles, they will say to you, and, again, everybody misses this. Food should be consumed during daylight hours. Right? And if you think about it, if you go back to the ancient style of life, that’s exactly how food consumed because they didn’t have electricity. Right? I mean, there are people microwaving food at 9 o’clock at night. You know what I mean? So it’s like, if we live according to the way we were designed metabolically, that’s gonna be a lot better. Like, if you have no food in your gauntlet, after 7 PM at night, and you go to bed at 10:30. Dude, you’re never gonna have inflammation. You’re gonna wake up in the morning, optimized,
Nick Urban [00:37:44]:
Yeah. And when you have a a a wearable you can use to track your your sleep, you’re recovering everything, then you can see I woke up feeling like crap because I went to I ate right before bed. But if you don’t have that, it can be it can be a disconnect between the cause, which was the night before and the effect that shows up when you wake up. Well, I ate a bag of M and M’s last night. We’re in Tulum. My wife went we, you know, we were walking around. We had his awesome dinners, Japanese
Jay Campbell [00:38:12]:
Robato where they cook it in front of you. And so we went back to the hotel room, and she went to sleep. And I was like, wired. You know, writing my email for today, and I saw it back at me and I was like, oh, and I ate the whole bag. And I went to bed, like, 30 minutes late. You know, I went to giant It was just a minibag or whatever, but I dude, I woke up this morning, and I was like, what the fuck did I do to myself? And my body is so regulated. I didn’t even remember that I ate it. But I was like, that’s what it was. And so I felt like the 1st 60 minutes because I put probably, you know, 75 to 80 grams sugar in my body before I went to bed last night. And so, I mean, like, it doesn’t matter how mean and metabolic bioregulators insulin sensitive, you are. When you do that to your body at inopportune or, quote unquote, wrong times, you have, you know, held to pay. You know? But it’s a comeuppance, and that’s what it is. And it’s like, you know, I’m fifty two years old. I mean, I’m it’s not like when I was 32, and I could get away with it much easier. I mean, As you age, your body tells you, like, immediately. And that’s why I laugh due to people, like my age who are still consuming alcohol. I mean, you wanna destroy yourself and toxify yourselves and shorten your lifespan that by all means, continue to drink 3 or 4 glasses of wine at night, you know, with your friends or your wife or your husband. That is the fastest quickest way to an early grave. And, again, not just an early grave, but cellular lie. Right? because, again, dude, what does alcohol do? It’s it’s literally a nerve toxin. I mean, I can’t even imagine all the things it does to people’s bodies physiological. Yeah. But, bro, it takes the edge off. Okay?
Nick Urban [00:39:53]:
but also shortened your life’s man. So it’s like if there’s one thing that you can stop doing as you’re in your forties fifties is drinking alcohol because it serves no purpose. there’s a lot of ways of taking the edge off too that don’t harm you. And I’d say even more so than shortening your life. It’s the quality of life, degradation, your experiencing every time you drink, whether it’s a really micro level, I shouldn’t say that every time you drink, it’s the day after every time you drink. When your body’s trying to get back to homeostasis, and it may be obvious, it may not. It’s totally true, bro. There’s nothing worse.
Jay Campbell [00:40:24]:
Well, so I’ll just say this. Let’s to add it to 30 days to shreds, if you wanna ruin your results and dramatically lessen your potential, you drink alcohol on the weekends. because, you know, that’s what people will say, oh, well, you know because, look, the program we didn’t talk about this. Let’s talk about Saturday Sunday just real quick because it’s relevant. It’s designed so that if you wanna have a meal with the family on Saturday night or Sunday night, go ahead. Right? But if you wanna throw in alcohol in those meals, you just undid the whole week. literally, the whole week. And as you know, bro, the leaner you get, the more sensitive you get to toxins, the worse the alcohol undoes your results and your productivity and everything you just gained. That’s what’s so mind blowing. You know, people wanna have three glasses of wine. and then not realize why they don’t get the results that somebody who didn’t have any of that alcohol got that week, but it was only three glasses of wine, and I did everything right for 6 days. yeah, but you just undid the previous 6 days by drinking 3 glasses of wine, dude. And I haven’t shared this on a podcast.
Nick Urban [00:41:29]:
But one thing I realized the other day is that I used to be able to just put down drinks and drink anyone under the table. And then that changed as I started getting healthy, and I realized that with one perspective of health is its sensitivity to a bunch of different things, to everything really, whether it’s hormones, it’s insulin, it’s testosterone. Otherwise, it’s, like, your intuition, it’s the chemicals and the agents we put in our bodies. Like, the healthier you are, the more you can discern small little changes to your baseline state. Exactly. I mean, honestly, I’m very blessed in that my mom and dad were not drinkers.
Jay Campbell [00:42:03]:
And I, you know, I got drunk once in my entire life. You know, truthfully, when I was when I was eighteen years old, I went back to school to see my my buddies that I left when I was a freshman in New York, upstate New York, and they were just handing me glasses of water at the summer part of you. I was a senior in high school, and, I mean, I thought it was water. And the next thing I remember, bro, is I lost an entire day in my life. I was literally puking up peritoneum, you know, the black stomach lining. myself. Thank god. One of my good friends took me and just putting it put me in his tub and undressed me. Yeah. I mean, I only did that once in my life, and I was like, how do people do this? And then do this over and over and over again, and justify it. It’s like It’s almost like I mean, you know, I’m obviously extreme when I think this, but I almost feel like they’re demon possessed or something. Like, it’s something else. that’s craving the alcohol because how can a human being
Nick Urban [00:42:57]:
desire to feel that way? It’s insane. It just goes to the show what we can put up with in the short for short term pleasure and if it results in a whole ruined next day, or for a lot of people at the the next day to consequences become less and less the more you drink, the more often, the more heavily. But either way, I mean, doesn’t do anything good for health. We’ll start to close this out. If people wanna connect with you to pick up any of your five books, soon to be five books,
Jay Campbell [00:00:00]:
they wanna follow your podcast, visit your website. How do they find you? So the easiest way to get all sorts of free stuff and find, you know, access to Jay Campbell is just go to Jay Campbell dotcomforward/free books. So you’ll get a free chapter actually, 2 chapters in the intro to the newest book, peptides book, You get a full copy of the TOT Bible, which is up until the 30 days of shreds book. It’s definitely gonna be my masterpiece. You’ll also get the the metabolic blow towards diet, PDF, And then I also have a book on raising consciousness. So there’s 4, you know, PDFs that you get right there. And then, you know, from that, you can find me on my email list. It’s join.jcampbell.com. I have about 21,000 people on my email list now. And, yes, we will email you every day. but with a lot of really good information. But that’s the easiest way. And then, of course, on social media, I’m just Jay Campbell 333, and that’s pretty much everywhere. So That’s the easiest way to get a hold of me. And, dude, honestly, man, it’s been a profound shot. I hope you break this up so we don’t like the over load their brains, but, like, this has been amazing, and I’m grateful that we had a chance to do this today. Before we sign off today, we’ll do a quick rapid fire round. Are you ready? The zoo.
Nick Urban [00:44:31]:
If there was a burning of the books and all knowledge on Earth is lost, you get to save the 3 most important health optimization works. What would you choose and why?
Jay Campbell [00:44:44]:
I would probably just say spiritual books. Like, I don’t even know if I would even go down the health optimization books. The ramped series of books are absolutely amazing. You know, as as quote unquote ascended mastery, came back here and channeled information to people. And there’s so many of those books, but all of the around the teachings are absolutely amazing. You know, if I was gonna do, like, a fitness you know, book. It would definitely be the encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding from Arnold Schwarzenegger just for the purposes of teaching people how to do resistance training. Right? Like, that’s probably the best book. It’s definitely not the best science on training and building muscle and stuff like that. But from a purely teaching people level, that book has the pictures you know, and the great explanations of, like, why you do this for your shoulders, for your chair. I mean, give most people, as you know. Like, they don’t even know what the chest the belt and biceps and the triceps. Sorry. They just watch people at the gym. So that book would teach you that. And then I would say, wow, man. I would say the 3rd book. You know, I would actually say probably the Barbara Marciniak books, which are there’s 3 of them. The path to empowerment bringers of the dawn and the family of light. So all three of those books are very, very profound spiritual teachings. And by the way, all of these spiritual books also have a lot in there about health and exercise and wellness and teaching people the importance of
Nick Urban [00:46:11]:
optimizing the human avatar, right, which is the physical body. Right? I like that the way I describe it is if you look at instruments, just some some small little shape adjustments, some tweaks, and can make huge differences to the sound. And that’s an instrument. Now you take that, you apply that to the human body the human vessel. And if you’re out of shape for what your body needs, you can just imagine that it’s gonna have a lot of the same effects and you’re not gonna be living up to your potential. But, dude, honestly, you don’t even know how profound of something you just said. Like, you just
Jay Campbell [00:46:41]:
like, all the hairs in my right arm So so so when I’m when my higher self comes in, these stand up or the back on my left neck. And so all the hairs on my right arm because when you said the sound when you alter the sound, that’s it. The frequency is who we are and what we are. So, like, when you alter the frequency of the human bioenergetic organism, then you can’t be connected to, quote unquote, you know, the source, you know, the source consciousness, god, divinity, whatever you wanna fight is, but that’s it, dude. The sound. If you do 5 MEO and you go, you know, the sonoran Desert toad, whether you do a hit of it or bong, hit of it, synthetic, or ever. And I’ve done both. When you’re in the energy and frequency of the source, all you hear is a sound, but you’re technically not in your physical body, your energy, your essence. Again, your biosynergy state is outside, and you sense it’s the most profound experience, but I’ve never thought of it as you said. But the sound is it, bro. Alright, Jake. What is one thing that you’re researching
Nick Urban [00:47:46]:
Jay Campbell [00:47:47]:
that, man, Ascension. How do I take my energetic presence out of my body on a more regular basis, and then how do I teach others to do the same? So it’s I I like I actually have a term for it. Essential alchemy,
Nick Urban [00:48:04]:
Beautiful. What is one thing that your tribe does not know about you?
Jay Campbell [00:48:10]:
That I do not care as much about the Jay Campbell physical body as they think I do.
Nick Urban [00:48:22]:
ties in perfectly what we were just saying. Well, Jay, how would you like to land this plane together? Any takeaways?
Jay Campbell [00:48:29]:
No, man. I’m just profoundly grateful to be here with you today. This has been one of the best podcasts I’ve ever done. I hope as many people as possible will find this and find value in this and obviously reach out to either me or you in some ways that we can help, you know, share this to the bigger collective because honestly, bro, like, you know, as you said, you know, I’m literally here, as I tell my wife every day, to help people. Like, I am here to serve creation. You know? And if I can do it through channeling Yoda or channeling this shamanic, you know, energetic spirit guide over here. That’s how I do it. And so whenever I get a chance to talk shop with some of the things that I’m truly inspired to speak about. It just man, it brings the best out of me. So, man, I’m so grateful for you, Nick, because you did an amazing job today. And, you know, let me know how I can return the favor and, you know, serve your audience and stuff like that, but that’s it, man. I mean, I just I’m grateful. Thanks, Jay. Yeah. This has been a really fun conversation.
Nick Urban [00:49:21]:
And like I said, we could go on forever about these topics we’re both so passionate about we didn’t even touch on so many different things including the Nutropix, the spiritual side of things because that’s the one that’s completely overlooked by this. So, yeah, I guess part 2 will be in the books down the line at some point because we gotta cover those topics as well. I’m looking forward to it. For sure, man. Well, thank you so much for having me on today, man. It’s been an hour. It’s been a pleasure. I’m Nick Urban here with Jay Campbell signing out from mindbodypeak.com. Have a great week and be an outlier.
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