Host Nick Urban dives deep into the world of performance-enhancing substances with special guest Jay Campbell, author and founder of TRT Revolution. They explore the controversial use of SARMs, the benefits, and risks of therapeutic testosterone, and the power of peptides for healing, and transformation. Get ready for a mind-opening discussion on optimizing mind, body, and spiritual health.
Episode Highlights"With peptides, you can essentially create a Frankenstein from a person who was 35% body fat and 65 to 75 pounds overweight. And literally in 30 days, have them lose all that body fat." – Jay Campbell Click To Tweet78% of adults over the age of 40 in the United States are obese. That's 80% of the adult population! 😲 Click To Tweet"Cardarine, often sold in liquid form, can make your cardio sessions feel easier and less intense within just 30 minutes of taking it and exercising. Talk about a game-changer"! 🙌 – Jay Cambell Click To Tweet"SARMs are often bought online and promise enhanced muscle growth without the side effects of shutting down the body's hypogonadal axis. But the dangers outweigh the benefits". 😬 – Jay Cambell Click To Tweet
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About Jay Campbell
Jay Campbell is a 4 times international best-selling author a men’s physique champion and founder of the Jay Campbell brand and podcast. He’s recognized as one of the world’s leading experts on hormonal optimization, and therapeutic peptides. Jay dedicated his life to helping teach men and women how to fully optimize their health, while also instilling the importance of raising their consciousness. Jay’s website, which has been around since 2006, offers some of the most deeply researched articles on the topics of hormone optimization, peptides, fat loss, fitness, and spirituality.
Top things you’ll learn from Jay Campbell
- How therapeutic testosterone improves physical performance
- Important distinctions about peptides for fat loss, anti-aging and mitochondrial function
- Theories about the role of Melanotan/Melanin/Melatonin for expanding consciousness; and how that relates to why dark skin cultures were suppressed and ostracized throughout history
- Why it’s critical, to start with a solid understanding and foundation before planning to use performance enhancers
- Harmful Effects of SARMS:
- SARMS are commonly bought online as muscle-enhancing supplements
- SARMS found to have detrimental effects on cardiometabolic markers, LDL levels, and hepatic function
- Young individuals using SARMS experience compromised lab panels and poor health
- Jay uses therapeutic testosterone instead, as it provides stronger anabolic effects without damaging biomarkers
- Benefits and Risks of Cardarine:
- Cardarine is known for its endurance-enhancing effects and fat-burning properties
- Jay Campbell’s personal experience with Cardarine, and the benefits he notices
- Research shows that Cardarine enhances the body’s ability to burn free fatty acids and improves cardiovascular and metabolic conditioning
- Using Cardarine can lead to a leaner physique and improved ability to do cardio without feeling sluggish or lethargic
- Jay’s Personal Journey with Therapeutic Testosterone:
- Started after a testicular injury
- They were diagnosed with type 2 gonadal dysfunction and started therapeutic testosterone
- Jay felt significantly better after starting testosterone and began researching performance-enhancing agents
- They eventually wrote a book on therapeutic testosterone
- Power of Therapeutic Peptides:
- Therapeutic peptides can fundamentally treat the root cause of health issues
- Peptides are biomolecule fractionated proteins used for therapeutic purposes
- Peptides have various benefits such as cognition stimulation, fat loss, muscle gain, healing, and longevity
- The quality of peptides has decreased over time due to profit incentives in the drug industry
- Jay has used peptides since 2004 and relied on the experiments reported by the underground bodybuilding community
- Peptides for Skincare:
- Copper peptide (GHKCu) is a powerful peptide used in skincare formulations
- It has angiogenic properties and improves skin quality, including reducing fine lines, wrinkles, and melasma, hair regrowth
- Some people may experience a burning sensation when injecting copper peptide
- Melanotan and PT 141:
- Melanotan 1 and Melanotan 2 are peptides used for tanning
- The use of Melanotan 1 can enhance the formation of dark moles on the skin
- PT 141 is a sexual enhancement peptide, but its effectiveness varies among individuals
- Jay dislikes Melanotan II but mentions Melanotan I’s potential consciousness-enhancing effects
- Peptides & Small Molecules for Fat Loss:
- Various peptides are commonly used for fat loss, including Ipamorelin, CJC 1295, MOTS-C, 5-Amino-1MQ, and Tesamorelin (Egrifta)
- Ipamorelin increases growth hormone production without disrupting the body’s natural cascade
- CJC 1295 is a potent growth hormone-releasing agonist but may cause side effects
- MOTS-C is a mitochondrial regulator that enhances metabolic rate and energy
- 5-Amino-1MQ is an oral that’s effective for all body compositions but loses effectiveness over time
- Tesamorelin is effective for reducing visceral body fat in individuals with lipodystrophy
- The prevalence of obesity:
- 78% of adults over 40 in the United States are classified as obese
- Issues using BMI and other body composition measurement methods
- Books: The Testosterone Optimization Therapy Bible: The Ultimate Guide to Living a Fully Optimized Life
- Book: Burn Fat with the Metabolic Blowtorch Diet: The Ultimate Guide for Optimizing Intermittent Fasting: Burn Fat, Preserve Muscle, Enhance Focus and Transform Your Health
- Book: Optimize your Health with Therapeutic Peptides: Extend your Life by Becoming More Muscular, Leaner, Smarter, Injury-Free, and Younger
- Teacher: Rick Collins
- Teacher: Nelson Virgil
Nick Urban [00:00:00]:
Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of
Nick Urban [00:00:08]:
Mindbody performance. I’m your host, Nick Urban, and this week, I’m excited to be sharing the world of peptides with you a little more. This will be a 2 part interview with a man named Jay Campbell. Jay Campbell is a 4 times international best selling author a men’s physique champion and founder of the Jay Campbell brand and podcast. He’s recognized as one of the world’s leading experts on hormonal optimization, and therapeutic peptides. Jay’s dedicated his life to helping teach men and women how to hashtag fully optimize their health, while also instilling the importance of raising their consciousness Two things you’re often here going hand in hand. Jay’s website, which has been around since 2006, offers some of the most deeply researched articles on the topics of hormone optimization, peptides, fat loss, fitness, and spirituality. You can find the show notes to this one at mindbodypeak.com, slash and then the number 113. Okay. Sit back, relax, and enjoy this conversation, with Jay Campbell.
Jay Campbell [00:01:28]:
Jay, welcome to Mindbody peak performance. It’s a pleasure to have you here today. Nick, man. I appreciate you having him here. I’m definitely humbly privileged and honored to be here. As I said, I rescheduled on you one time, and I couldn’t do it a second time. So I’m really excited to be here, and let’s make this happen. thanks for making it happen. And by the way, for anyone who’s listening in who can’t see, Jay has one of the more epic backgrounds I’ve seen
Nick Urban [00:01:51]:
for his podcast studio. Sweet. Today, I wanna talk about one of your or a couple of your wheel houses, and that is obviously therapeutic peptides. You wrote a book on them, which I read, and it was chock full of it was a beginner’s guide to a bunch of different peptides out there. It was really helpful. And, also, bioregulators, what you’re working on now with your upcoming book, which I believe will be released before this podcast is so we can explore that. And I’m gonna adapt the question I usually ask to start off every interview for you because I know you’re on the cutting edge and you like to do some cool stuff. So What are the compounds that you’re currently using?
Jay Campbell [00:02:36]:
So currently using actually, or experimenting with It’s not a novel compound in that. It it’s been around, but it’s a novel compound for the Biohacking community, and then I’m using GW
Nick Urban [00:02:50]:
Jay Campbell [00:02:51]:
which is a Ppar agonist, which some people know about in the Psalms world. So I wanna be very clear that I do not advocate Sarms. This is not a SARM by any stretch of the imagination, but Sarms dealers and Sarms sellers sell this But this is a very powerful cardiac enhancing agent. It’s also a fat loss as a PPA agonist. It’s a fat loss agonist. But you take this before exercise, preferably, you know, anaerobic exercise. So before weight training and if you’re doing, like, intervals, but this will give you much better cardiovascular you know, oxidation, you will burn fat more efficiently, and you’ll definitely breathe a lot better. And I’ve been experimenting now with this for myself. for about 3 weeks. I just had not just had. And by the time this runs, it’ll be, you know, way later. But I had surgery 6 weeks ago on my left breast for gynecomaskan because I have the genetic predisposition for it. I carry that polymorphism. And I started using it as soon as I heal. So I can definitely say that it’s pretty profound in its ability to enhance cardiac activity. or I should say cardiometabolic activity.
Nick Urban [00:04:03]:
Yeah. So there’s a lot of terms that we that we would have to define. Is that at all related? I mean, I have that article of yours. You just published it up in another open tab currently. But back many years ago, probably 5 years ago or so, I was looking into and researching and experimenting with a compound that’s similar to that. It’s GW I think it’s 50156.
Jay Campbell [00:04:25]:
It’s great for endurance and had a similar thing. They’re all the same. So other people know of cardarine, and they’re all in the same class. of agents. And look, man, like, you know, they’re they’re basically sold in liquid form, you know, by most of these research chemical companies. There are there is a Russian company out there now selling capsules of this I’ve seen recently. But, yeah, they all do pretty much the same thing. And, I mean, you know, they’re they taste absolutely nasty. you know, you gotta swallow them down and you kinda hold your nose or whatever. But within 30 minutes, if you take if you start exercising after, you will definitely notice an increase and you’re just the easiness of you doing cardio. Like, for me, because I just do, you know, mostly steady state you know, 125 to 135, sometimes a 140 beats per minute life cycle over here to my left. It’s actually right over here to my left. I’m, like, in cruise control on that. Like, I don’t even feel the intensity of what I usually write out, which is, like, 15 on the life cycle. It’s it feels like I’m on 18. You know? Because I mean and and, again, you know, that’s where all the research shows that it just like I said, it really increases you know, the body’s ability to burn free fatty acids and, obviously, that enhances your cardiovascular and your metabolic conditioning So over time, you definitely will get leaner and, you know, without question, it’ll enhance your your ability to do cardio. You definitely will not be as, like, lug sluggish or lethargic when you’re doing cardio when you’re on it, it feels easy. Back when I was experimenting with the with the cardamine,
Nick Urban [00:02:50]:
I noticed that after a couple weeks, it quite literally doubled my endurance. All of a sudden, I was blown away. Like, nothing else holds a candle and compared to this.
Jay Campbell [00:06:09]:
Is that the class that’s called, like, so called exercise in a bottle? Yeah. I mean I mean, depending on who you talk to, yes. I mean, it’s really weird because I remember when I first started looking at these, and you know me, and I’m very against Sarms. Right? Like, I mean, I I’ve seen people Yeah. So, I mean, so a SARM is a selective androgen receptor modulator, and that’s where a lot of young guys in the world, unfortunately, are buying, you know, from Huxsters online cell arms. And, you know, they’re mostly, you know, drugs that are supposed to again, supposed to. You know, let’s make that very clear. enhance, you know, anabolic tissue accretion without, quote unquote, the side effects of shutting down the body’s hypogonadal access. Now, again, that’s all in theory. None of it is true. Because when you actually do people’s lab work and you actually look at what happens to people who are using Sarms, It trashes cardiometabolic markers. It trashes LDL. It trashes hepatic function. I mean, there’s so many horrible things. I mean, most doctors who are versant in these things when they see young kids coming to their office who’ve been using sarms. I mean, I’ve had guys literally I’m not kidding you, Nick, say to me, I send them straight to the emergency room. Like, these guys’ lab panels are so bad. Like, they are literally one foot in grave. Right? So it’s like I always tell people and, you know, we could talk about this obviously too from, you know, the first book I wrote on testosterone and therapeutic testosterone that all things being equal just use a therapeutic dose of testosterone. You know? You’re not gonna have any of the side effects. You’re not gonna trash, you know, all of these biomarkers that get trashed using sarms, and you’re gonna get far stronger anabolic effect than using any of these drugs. Now, you know, look, I get people. They come after me, and they’ll debate me. And they’ll say, you know, Jay, that’s not true. You know, I’m a professional body builder, and, you know, I use all these different, you know, anabolic steroids, and then I throw in this arm, and it gives me this, that, you know, there. And I’m not saying that there isn’t a quote unquote, you know, performance increase or benefit from some of these drugs. I’m saying that they destroy your biomarker so much that the risk reward is not worth it. Now, obviously, somebody may come to me and you, Nick, on this podcast and say, oh, yeah. Well, you’re doing the same thing with this. And I will say to them, I get my lab work done three times a year, and I also my body. I’ve been, you know, biohacking myself for about 27, 28 years now. And if I notice anything, I stop. Right? And, like, I’ve noticed nothing other than what you talked about, which is just increasing cardiovascular capacity. And the research out there shows that anything that in is increased from a negative standpoint. And, again, I would interpret or, you know, that you could say it’s not really negative. It’s just, you know, an increase in, say, the size of the aortic valve or, you know, what do they call it? Like, the the the vasculatures increasing in size, they all go back to normal when you stop using this. Right? So, I mean, again and and now after using it for 3 weeks, I don’t notice any side effects other than my skin is drier. And, again, that’s a noticeable effect of a PPA inhibitor as far as how or I’m sorry, not inhibitor agonist in that because they’re increasing metabolic function and cellular increasing your your cellular respiratory rate, you will have drier skin. Right? So use more oil and lotion.
Nick Urban [00:09:32]:
Fairly simple. Yeah. I think it’s an important caveat to note that pretty much everything we’re gonna discuss today is banned for use in sport because they confer huge advantages So that caveat out of the way, how did you get involved in this journey of biohacking and therapeutic optimization?
Jay Campbell [00:09:52]:
Yeah. That’s a great question and a great comment. Therapeutic optimization. I think I’m gonna steal that. So I was always an athlete you know, in high school and college. I played basketball at Georgia Southwestern University, which at the time I was there was an AI school, became a division 2 school, about 3 or 4 years after I did, but we are highly competitive. We in fact, we went to the final 4 in the NAIA 2 years in a row that I was there, which was played in Kemper Arena Kansas City. And we had a very powerful NAI team. So I played at a pretty high level both college and then outside after I start playing. I played in, like, ultra competitive men’s leagues. So in my twenties, I was always a student of enhancing performance. You know? I was like the guy that took RIP Fuel back in the day from TwinLab and, you know, for the show for everybody on the record, you know, I’m fifty two years old. I’m in my 53rd cycle around the sun. But it wasn’t until I was 29, and I was playing an adult men’s league basketball in Los Angeles at Crenshaw. I got kicked in the testicles. And, you know, I went out, you know, came over, checked myself out, somebody subbed in for me. And you know, probably came back in later in the game. But within the next 7 to 8 to 10 weeks, my body was destroyed. I started getting run down. I couldn’t even play. My lower back was hurting. I mean, I was like aches and pains. It was literally like I went from being in the best of condition and health and shape to being an old man that could barely move. So I went to a PPO doctor, and as I always say, on all these podcasts when I talk about the story, there are no coincidences. Only synchronicities in the universe. The guy me to an endocrinologist who happen to be a world class Harvard educated endocrinologist who measured my blood testosterone. Now you gotta remember This is back in 1999, Nick. Right? So it’s like there were not a lot of people out there that were doing this stuff, but this guy had experience working with men who had what he would classify or now the world classifies is type 2 gonadal dysfunction. Okay? or hypogonatism is what they call it. And that’s literally a decrease in testosterone and your HPGA function due to environmental reasons. Right? So the environmental reason for me is it got kicked and nothing and then testicle is really bad. So between that, you know, he said to me, look, I can put you on therapeutic test. So he he measured my labs, and I came back and I have, like, a 220 total testosterone level and a really low free testosterone level. And he said, look. I can put you on therapeutic testosterone. and I can have you right as rain in 8 to 10 weeks. But, you know, before you agree, go home, talk to you. At the time, it was my fiancee. We were getting married very soon after and, you know, get her approval and and let me know. And so I did. And, you know, my wife was like I I mean, fiancee at the time, she did become my wife for a very short time. Kelly shot out to you, She said, you know, you’re a smart guy, you know, whatever. You know? We don’t have any kids. There’s no risk or anything. Let’s do it. So, anyway, he did. He sent me the injections. I remember, you know, was three shots. They were already planned out for me. He wanted to take me off after I went on. It was 8 to 10 weeks. I felt like I mean, dude, I felt like god. And, you know, he was like, okay. Appointment come in. He’s like, okay. I can withdraw you now. I’ll put you on ACG. I’m like, woah, bro. You’re not taking on this. Like, this is life changing. So then at that point, I literally spent the next 10 to 12 years of my life researching, how to use therapeutic testosterone, how to use this agent, how to use that agent. I mean, there was nothing Unless you can read Russian and on Bulgarian strike manuals, there was nothing anywhere. There was Nelson Virgil’s book, which was testosterone and man’s guide. Nelson and then doctor Michael Mooney had also wrote another book. I forgot what it was called, but it was dealing with HIV. You know? which at the time was a death sentence, so all these guys were experimenting with anabolic steroids and testosterone and growth hormone and all these things. And I forget the name of that book, but there was nothing. Other than the underground, you know, bodybuilding, what I call grow boards, you know, in the early 2000 where everybody had an anonymous handle, and was you know, at the time, it was, again, it was the in in the infancy of the Internet, and the information was pristine. There was no bull was no you know, not of today where almost everything is flawed or false. So you were getting really good information. Everybody truly did desire to help one another. So, you know, between that and then reading everything, I can get my hands on and then, of course, using being a human guinea pig. By the time I got to about forty two years old, forty one years old, you know, the people that were in my circle were literally like, bro. You know so much about this. You gotta write a book. You know? And I was you know, I was well, a true story or a funny story, I think it’s interesting, is that people would meet me and they would be obviously impressed with my physique and and and stuff, and they would ask me. They’re what do you do? And I would tell them I saw a used therapeutic testosterone right to their face, and it would I would either get, like, wow. Tell me more. Or, oh, you’re one of those dudes. You’re on steroids. rights. Right? And so I was I was obviously very polarizing and alienated people, but for those that weren’t, you know, they were like, you gotta write a book. So eventually, A couple years later, I reached out to I I written a white paper on it, and I reached out to Rick Collins, who’s now a very close first friend, you know, who’s the famous attorney for, you know, pro pro pro bodybuilding and professional sports and stuff like that where he ends people that are accused of taking metabolic steroids. And I said, hey. Look. For a person like me who’s a lay a lay person, you know, I have no medical license or background. If I wrote a book on therapeutic testosterone, what would the risks be? And, you know, being an attorney, and he was, like, very, very nice to me. He didn’t get nobody from Adam, and I was a nobody at that point in time, but he was very professional And he said, well, you know, the risks are this. And he told me that there was risks. And, you know, my wife and I at the time had owned a modestly successful residential real estate company in Southern California, and so I was like, oh, I’m about. But I also sent the white paper to Nelson Virgil who wrote testosterone’s a man guide and not Bill Phillips But Bill I forgot the other guy’s name. Bill, whatever his name is. His name’s not coming to my head anymore. And then I just literally, you know, shelved it about 4 or 5 months later. I don’t remember. But I get an email in the middle of the night from Nelson Virgil, and he he was in his native country of Venezuela, and he was like, I don’t know who you are, but this is profound amazing stuff. You gotta write this book. And so I messaged him back, and I was like, well, you know, Collins. He’s like f Rick Collins. Rick’s a good friend of mine too, but he’s just being an attorney. He’s like, I work on panels at the FDA. Men need to know this. So he said, how can we talk? How can I help you? So as I always say, man, Nelson love you, bro. He’s, you know, standing on the shoulders of giants. He helped me, coached me, And about a year later, the book came out. It should have come out in 14, but it came out in 2015. And that was the first book, the t r t the definitive t r t manual And then subsequently, to fast forward, you know, a long story to now I’ve written 5 other books. Actually, 6 other books and met amazing people like you doctors. I’ve, you know, lectured. I’ve, you know, traveled the world. I’ve met all sorts of great people. And now I’m kind of, you know, blessed to be in this, like, position of this, like, you know, advanced biohacker who who writes books about pep guides. And as you were saying, the next book which we’ll talk about is coming is 30 days to shreds.
Nick Urban [00:16:58]:
Yeah. This will definitely be live after that. But that is exciting. And I like that you’re saying that there’s something for all levels there because it’s so tempting just to say, these are the top molecules that help me get there super fast. shortcut all the work, but as we both know, it’s the those are, like, the proverbial icing on the cake. Those, like, just amplify your results, make it faster, easier, etcetera, etcetera. But if you’re not doing the low hanging fruit right, then you’re gonna have a hard time and you might just cause more issues than good if you’re trying to layer on these advanced therapeutics on top of a faulty shaky foundation.
Jay Campbell [00:17:35]:
Yeah. A 100%. And I and I will definitely say, you know, we can get deeper into this. I did so the book is an anecdotal research study with my insider VIP group that I formulated last year. It’s nine guys. I had three women in it, and they all dropped out. Some of them actually still work kind of remotely. But it’s nine men who have had the most profound transformations that you could even imagine. And and and when I say that, you know, it doesn’t even ring hollow until you see their pictures. Because when you see their pictures, you’re gonna be like, There’s no way that happened in 30 days. And I’m like, well, read the book. Here’s the dates. Here’s the imagery. Here’s the documentation. Here’s what they did. I mean, some of the pictures are just like people are gonna be blown away. But, again, to go back to reiterate what you just said, and you know this as well as I do, We didn’t have 5 years ago GLP 1 agonists. You know? We didn’t have select peptide gh agonist. We didn’t have Tesofensine. We didn’t have some of these agents that can radically alter and modulate body composition. And so, you know, when you have somebody like me who has been in the fat loss game as long as I have and has done, you know, every potential diet that’s out there, and then you take these advanced you know, call them peptide based or gray market agents that can enhance, you know, metabolism and basic metabolic rate and, you know, increase brown, out of your post issue and do all of these different things, then you can essentially create, like, a Frankenstein from a person who was, let’s say, 35% body fat and £65 to £75 overweight. And literally in 30 days, have them lose all that body fat. Now that sounds biomimicry and fad but I can prove that it’s not. And, again, you have to be focused. Right? because it’s not something like where you just sit there and, you know, you don’t have to put it in the work. I mean, if you’re willing to put in the work and you are able to get these agents and use them, you know, within the constraints and, obviously, instructions that we provide in the book, dude, there’s nobody. regardless of your genetics, regardless of your previous condition or or starting condition, you can’t dramatically
Nick Urban [00:19:45]:
alter your body fat. Sweet. We will dig into that after. But first, I wanna talk about Peptides a bit, and I know that’s one of your specialties you’re well known for, and your book on peptides, optimizing your health with therapeutic peptides was awesome. Can you give us a brief definition of peptides, and then also we’ll talk about some of the ones that you find most fascinating and I’ll interject with my own experiences.
Jay Campbell [00:20:12]:
pept heads in my opinion are essentially biomolecule fractionated proteins. Right? So, essentially, they’re just, you know, amino acids that are organically not all of them, some of them are synthesized, but organically found in nature in ourselves you know, in our biological system pathways that when used, you know, for therapeutic versus purposes, can fundamentally treat or or or, you know, seek out the root cause of whatever it is the issue. Right? So, you know, I always use the healing modality peptides like BPC 157 and td 500. And and again, for me and you and and people probably that listen to your show, you know, this isn’t anything that’s astounding. But to to normal people, bro, when you when they see what these things are capable of doing, I mean, they can’t it it it doesn’t compute. Right? And I’ll I’ll give you a a story of, like, again, normal people. So this happened in September of last year, I was in a mastermind in the Utah Mountains with some very accomplished Internet marketing people, very, very well-to-do guys. And we were a hundred miles away from from civilization. There was nothing. Right? And one of the dudes was doing battle ropes And, dude, he tore his hand from here to here. I mean, it was a gash. It probably needed somewhere between 12 20 stitches. His entire phone? You what? Say it again? His entire palm? The whole thing. I mean, it was and it was you know, it it was gnarly. I mean, it was a solid half inch in. And, you know, it was like, what what are you gonna do? We’re gonna drive down the road and, you know, take him to the hospital, or are we gonna, like, you know, be strong tough guys? I know we’re a bunch of women there too, and, like, figure this out. So I literally carry my insulin cooler pack with me wherever I travel around the world. I carry PPC 157, TD 500, you know, growth hormone, peptides, and thymus now for 1 and other stuff. But know, one of the other guys who was there with me was also a peptides guy like me, and I’m like, dude, let’s let’s inject him. And he’s like, well, how are we gonna get him to do it? I’m like, you’re just gonna hold his hand, and I’m gonna, like, talk to him, and we’ll we’ll nail him. Right? So, dude, this is a true story. So so I ran over to get I mean, he was like, you know, not crying or anything, but, I mean, you know, we had they advantaged him up, and it was gnarly dude. I mean, he needed a bunch of stitches. And as you know too, like, when you don’t when you get that deep of a wound, if you don’t have dress. There’s always a chance of infection. Right? You don’t wanna get sepsis. So so, anyway, I ran back to the house because there’s about four or five houses that were all staying together and stuff. There was thirty people at this mastermind. And I came back, and this guy had no idea what peptides were, bro. Like, he was, like, seeing me and, you know, the other and he’s holding him, and I’m talking to him. And he’s like, see. He’s like, what are you doing? What are you? Like, bro, trust us. We’re gonna save you. We’re gonna solve your problem. So true story, Jectonim once at that point, this is on Thursday in the afternoon, injecting him again that night, Now this is, like, you know, he had to close his eyes and, like, turn away and, like, you know, we’re injecting on the outside. And it’s BBC 157, TV 500 together because I always have them together in a mile. Dude, on Monday, I wish I wasn’t smart enough. You know, things you know, you know, you do these things, and then you never take a picture. But, dude, it was the most insane transformation that you can ever imagine. It was literally like Wolverine from X Men. his his his, what do you call it, gas had completely closed by Monday. closed. I mean, not stooch stitched stitched and sutured, but naturally closed from the action of the the, you know, the angiogenic eye of the BPC 1 57, and they of the inflammation and cytokines suppression of the TB 500. And so, dude, when this guy saw this on Monday, he was he thought I was Merlin the magicians. I I mean, literally, he was literally like you are been you’ve been elevated to a different world. Like, I don’t even know who you are, how you did this, but this is the most profound thing I’ve ever seen in my life. So I tell you that story for the listening audience because that’s really what peptides offer in so many different ways. Right? You know, you and I can geek out and we can go much deeper, but there’s probably a 1000 peptides right now that we’re still not even experimenting with. Right? And it’s because they can’t be synthesized or you know, the research chemical companies that can do it won’t because of the cost prohibitive nature of it or, you know, know, the micron level of it or whatever, it can’t really be injected, and they can’t figure out how to get it, you know, to cross the blood brain barrier. So there’s a 1,000,000 different things that are out there that we don’t even know about right now. And, obviously, as you know, the book, I think I only have, like, 50 peptides or 52 peptides even covered in it. And I only use the ones I thought were the most relevant because, you know, human beings only have access to a select amount. But every one of them, from cognition stimulation, for fat loss, to muscle gain, to healing, to longevity, you know, to enhancing telomerase and and improving telomerase function. I mean, dude, they’re just the most insane things ever. And so, like, when I tell people I’ve been using peptides since 2004 because that’s a true story. I started using the Ipamorelin back then, People are like, what? Like, most doctors didn’t even know what a peptide was until, like, 2016 or 2017. Right? But because I was, again, in that underground you know, bro performance enhancing bodybuilding community, whatever you wanna call it. Those guys are the ultimate guinea pigs. You know? And they were the ones that were willing to experiment. And, you know, again, I’m very open about the story. Southern Research Company was probably the 1st company that I know of, at least in the United States, at least in the west, that was, you know, openly selling peptides you know, online in the back of bodybuilding magazines. If you knew where to go, you know, again, on the usenet forum groups because the Internet was obviously not the Internet as of now. but you could literally buy them. And and, you know, I don’t know what happened to them. I just know that they were literally the back office of a compound pharmacy in Texas. and they were selling out the back. And, honestly, bro, like, I tell people this all the time. Like, the Ipamorelin that they were selling is a hundred times quality of the Ipamorelin that’s found in the marketplace today. And, again, if you know anything about the drug world industry culture, Oh, better. Better. Better. Better. So everything the the way the drug industry works is when drug first comes out, peptide, big pharma branded, whatever, it’s pure. It’s the highest quality you could ever get. Right? And then as time goes on, the people find out about it, the peptides and the drugs and everything else just gets lower quality. Now I don’t know the reason for that, but my assumption is that, again, you’re diluting because there’s a profit incentive. Right? You don’t have the same materials. You don’t have the same way to you know, manufacture the peptide that you once did. There’s just there’s so many loopholes that have to be accounted for. And so, I mean, it’s the truth, man. Like, the peptide when I was using Tesamorelin, back then, the Tesamorelin effects are nowhere near the effects of using epemeralan today. And I know it sounds weird, and people are like, well, how’s that possible, bro? And I’m like, I don’t really know. I just know how it worked then. You know? And some people will be like, no, bro. You are just younger. And your biological system’s responded better to it. No. I don’t see that. I mean, I I just don’t see the same effects. And, again, I’ve been, you know, giving it a roll into my wife since we first met back in 2012, and it’s just it’s not the same. So, I mean, again, I I just like to say that at the very beginning when drugs are found in the marketplace, it seems like there more pure, and then over time, people degrade them, again, through marketing, through profit margins, you know, through manufacturing processes. There’s a lot of ways to not get the same quality. There’s also the competition on price. At that point, once everyone’s synthesizing it, then it’s like you need an advantage, so you’re gonna try and produce it a little cheaper. And by doing that, you have to sacrifice somewhere. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be cheaper. And, look, you can do that now. If you tested and I won’t give names, But if you pulled up, say, 3 or 4 of the biggest research chemical companies and you and I know who they are and you’re so does your listening audience. And you tested each one’s dipping around, Tesamorelin, you know, CJC, whatever. Every single one of them, there would be a variance in the quality, the efficacy, the purity. You know what I mean? So it’s like, of course, there are loopholes due like you said, due to processing and profit margin. And, again, there’s no regulation. Again, obviously, I’m talking about research chemical companies. And you know what? When I say that, I gotta be honest, there’s no regulation of the compounders either. There’s nobody doing testing of the compounders to prove that, you know, what they on your bottle is 99% or 98.9 percent of labeled claims. There’s nobody. And that’s the one reason that I support limitless life Nootropics because he’s the only peptide research chemical company, at least that I know of. I’m planet Earth right now that does third party testing and verifies it with that independent third party test. You know? And and, again, I know who the third party is testing them, and they’re not paying anybody off or bribing anybody. It costs a lot of money. you know, to have that done. But, I mean, at the at this point, dude, like, you can’t verify anything unless somebody is doing an independent verification process, again, from a 3rd party test or test error, and limitless is the only company in the entire research chemical industry. And, again, when people ask me, they’re like, what compound pharmacies, and I’m like, I would actually have to say there amongst them, it’s the same thing because I don’t know anybody in the compound world is testing their peptides and then offering that validity to the public. That’s a good point. And I know that there’s a certain
Nick Urban [00:30:01]:
major company that a lot of doctors rely on for for re as a research team will come research chemical company. And even then, you’d think that because doctors rely on them, the prices are higher, they’re very well known. that that would be an indicator of higher quality, but I believe that it was either you or someone else who’s done third party actually tested their peptides and different products and found out that They were abysmal.
Jay Campbell [00:30:25]:
Abysmal. Yeah. And we don’t have to mention the name, but, I mean, I think people are pretty smart to figure it out because they definitely have the best marketing and They’ve been around a long time, and they do make a lot of money, and the branding is great and stuff. Yeah. And that’s what I’m saying is, like, you know, you just have to do your homework And and and look, man, we could go as deep as you want on peptides. You know? At the end of the day, people also have to learn how to use peptides by buying them and sell big experimenting. There’s no amount of you and me is teaching people how to reconstitute, you know, how to use a peptide conversion table or or a peptide calculator or, you know, any of that stuff is gonna replace getting an trial whether it’s 25, 10, 20 milligrams and and doing the work, you know, putting the reconstitution solution slash dacterial static water in the vial and then pulling out syringes and experimenting on yourself. And and, like, you and I were talking off air. It takes years to truly understand
Nick Urban [00:31:25]:
how to use these things. You know? It’s not plug and play. You don’t watch you and me in a podcast or buy my course or buy the book. and think that that’s gonna teach you. You have to learn, and you have to invest in the time and money to actually understand how to do this stuff. So here’s the thing. There’s certain peptides that are more forgiving. And if you say accidentally ten times the dose, you will be okay and others where you might get violently ill if you do that. So do you have any suggestions if people are interested in starting out? I know that you’ve already mentioned a couple that seem to come up as, like, the most common being the t or TP 500 or TB4, and then also BPC 157. Those are, like, the 2 most common, then there’s a bunch of others that are also powerful, and we can talk with those briefly too. But if someone’s just getting started, where do you recommend they begin?
Jay Campbell [00:32:15]:
Yeah. I mean, it’s a great question. And, honestly, it really just comes down to your goal. Right? I mean, most people who get into peptides have weight loss issues or body fat issues. Right? I mean, that’s you know, I think you and I were talking before. I think it’s 80% so so the last statistic that I saw this is insane, by the way, Nick. But the last statistic that I saw is that 78% of adult over the age of forty in the United States are obese. So you’re basically dealing with 80% of the adult population over the age of forty is obese. and that’s according to the BMI, which, by the way, the BMI is a joke at this point. Yeah. It’s absolutely a joke. I mean, you know, even DEX as a joke, So so let’s talk about this just because it’s important. So because the standard mean deviation of the algorithm that all these companies use to determine body composition is the average as obese muscular people and lean people fall outside of the standard mean deviation. So you cannot, as an athlete, as a bio hacker, as a peptide user, as some is like, you know, trying to live their longest and stronger, can you cannot rely on any of that data. It’s all flawed. The error margin now is 7%. Right? So when I was at a 4 m, the big anti agent conference in December in Las Vegas, which I attend every year, you know, I go to those boosted measure body composition, and I’m talking to those guys at Cica, an in body, and DXA. And they’re all like, hey, man. We all we can go by is the average person in the math and the algorithm they create. And now because obesity is so rampant, We’re we have a 7% error margin. So, I mean, like, who’s gonna rely on that? That’s a sham. Right? So the only way that you can actually get your body composition accurate now is to a bod pod or to have somebody, you know, do a 7 or 9 or 11 site, you know, skin Caliper with a with a, you know, a scan decks, you know, metal type caliper. And then also that person has to understand how to do it, you know, because a lot of people don’t know how performed body fat measurement. That’s a old school technique. But so, yeah, so we have we have so many people that are fat. Right? So The average person wants to use peptides for fat loss. So there are probably you know, again and these are all covered in my book, but they’re the 4 or 5 biggest growth hormone agonist peptides or mitochondrial stimulating peptides again to enhance BMI and cellular respiration would be Ipamorelin, CJC 1295, Motsi, 5 amino 5 amino 1mq, and Tessa Morel. Now Tessa Morel is almost impossible to get because it is a quote, unquote, controlled FDA regulated and approved peptide known as EGRIFTA, which is used in, again, the muscle wasting and HIV communities for guys that have a condition called lipodystrophy. And lipodystrophy is, like, very hard visceral body fat in the center mass. So, again, guys get like this really hard belly fat that they can’t get rid of. And so Tesamorelin was used to break up that belly fat. So for men who have belly fat, it’s a very potent peptide in reducing the fat in the midsection. Now, again, it’s almost impossible to get and it’s so expensive. It’s literally, like, $44100 a month if you had a script for it to take it 2 milligrams a day, which, again, all these dosages are are in the book that you mentioned already. And you could put this in the podcast, but, you know, people will be able to get the first two chapters and, of course, the introduction of the book for free and stuff like that. I’ll give the link out at the end of this. But The other peptides are Ipamorelin, which, you know, I’m a big proponent of epameralan. It’s the only peptide in the clinical research to show that it does not disturb the body’s endogenous production of course, from the pituitary of its natural cascade of growth hormone. So you can also take it, you know, two or three times a day if you’re that 8 or more attentive and you wanna inject yourself. will definitely increase your body’s natural production of growth hormone, and it will not shut down your body’s, you know, natural production, and it will also not concomitantly increase prolactin or cortisol. So a very, very strong peptide to use for a life, you know, over the course of your life to, you know, enhance A lot of the good things that growth hormone can do without any of the bad things. CJC 1295, I’m not a supporter of this peptide because it does the opposite of what Ipa does. It does increase prolactin and cortisol or can depending on the dosage. It is, however, a very, very potent growth hormone releasing agonist. And so a lot of peptide research chemical companies and, of course, compounding pharmacies are often combined CJC and Ipa together, which produces a much stronger growth hormone agonistic effect than them in isolation. But I don’t like it, Nick, because when you inject it, most people get a flushing kind of nausea you know, they get itchy or red or they just feel flushed from it. You know? And, again, it’s because it’s such a pronounced effect. And then when you combine it all time and you see this all the time with Ipironella, it also throws off the dose curve. So most people don’t know how to dose it. Right? because it’ll be like, 12 milligrams of CJC and 6 milligrams of IPA. You know? Or I’ve seen it actually where it’s 10 milligrams of IPA and 8 milligrams of CJC. I mean, I’ve seen all these crazy dosing parameters, and so that throws people off. So I don’t really like those together, but for sure, If you’re trying to increase growth hormone in an older adult man or woman, it’s a very strong and potent agent in doing that. So Mott C is a very profound mitochondrial simulator or up regulator. I don’t like Mott C though for practical purposes because it’s so expensive. And to dose it appropriately, you gotta almost use a whole vial every time you dose. so it can get really, really cost prohibitive. Now if you’re obese and money is not an object, it’s a very profound peptide to, again, increase BMR and and obviously cellular metabolic rate because it’s enhancing and upregulating your your mitochondria. I don’t also like it very much for people who are already mitochondrial optimized, which is naturally muscular and leaner people because you’re not gonna get the same effect. Again, this is theoretically I mean, I definitely do know some people that use Moxie who are in great shape, and they say they love it because they feel the increased energy, which is know, definitely, you would notice that effect again to do its mitochondrial bioregulators. But for fat loss, I I I personally, you know, in my observation and then also working with people. I see better fat loss in heavier people using Mot Seed than people who are more mitochondrial bioregulators or optimized. 5 amino 1mq is an amazing oral peptide for the most part. It can be injected too, but it’s not as effective than when you take it orally. But it it works for everyone regardless of body composition level The issue with 5 MENA 1MQ is that you also build up AAT bodies really fast using it. So, unfortunately, you really only get, like, the effects of it for 4 perhaps if you’re lucky 6 weeks before it just down regulates and it just doesn’t become as effective. So I always tell people like if you’re gonna use 5 amino, your cycle should be in your mind 4 weeks. Right? And the dosage for that is pretty universal depending on your body size. Like, if you’re a smaller woman, you can probably get away with a 100 milligrams. But if you’re a bigger guy, you need a 150 milligrams. which is usually, you know, depending on where you get it, you know, 3 capsules, you know, taken first thing in the morning. So those are the primary fat loss peptides.
Nick Urban [00:40:17]:
I think if you’re gonna have a goal like fat loss, it can you can take a multi pronged approach and maybe stack 2, like one for growth hormone upregulation and then one for energy. didn’t tell you this, but I actually I used Moxie this morning. I’m on a 4 week cycle. And that is one of the trickier peptides I’ve used because you have to reconstitute and use an entire vial
Jay Campbell [0040:36]:
all all at once syringe. So it’s pretty crazy. And I’m And they’re like, what dude wait a minute. And ham it’s it’s exactly right. And do you know how many people have messaged me in the last 2 years saying, I don’t get this. I mean, I have to use this entire vial. I’m like, yeah. What don’t you get?
Nick Urban [00:40:50]:
Yeah. And it does that’s what I was gonna say. The peptides can get expensive, especially Moxie’s one of the ones. I was like, wow. This is pricey. I do notice a pretty strong energy increasing effect. And because of the increased energy, I can work out harder, work out longer. I have more motivation to to do that kind of stuff. So I’d say there’s some indirect fat loss, but is that gonna be as effective as some of the other things such as Tesamorelin
Jay Campbell [00:02:36]:
probably not, but at the same time, it’s more affordable than that. But there’s probably other peptides that are better for my specific goals. The fur by the way, the first time so I have the exact same effect. The first time that I injected MOTS, and this was due this is back in 2018 when Taylor Made was, you know, sending me peptides And I literally they didn’t even know what the dosing parameters of protocol was. It was, like, experiment of, well, you know, so I’m you know, you could do this, and I only took I took a half a mile of it, but it was a it was a I think it was a a 12 milligram vial. And I took half, and, dude, I took it I remember I was on the phone with Ryan Smith, and I’m like, okay. What do you want? He’s like, oh, you know, just take half of the box. I was on the phone when I injected it. I’m not kidding you. It increased my energy so much. I was laying in bed that night staring at the ceiling attempting to go to sleep, and I was like, I’m not going to sleep. And I probably slept 2 hours at night. So there is no question that MOTS is a profound energy enhancer. And, again, like I said, and this is just my pet theory, but the more mitochondrial optimized you are, the less you’re going to get a, quote unquote, from a body reduction standpoint, but you will definitely notice the increased energy.
Nick Urban [00:42:32]:
Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. And then there’s a couple others. And I’m curious to your take. You don’t need to give as long explanations because we’re running low on time already. And that is 1 copper peptide, g h k c u, And then also, I’m interested in your take on the what is were they the melanocortin
Jay Campbell [00:42:51]:
peptides? Yeah. For sure. M1 and M2. Yeah. So g h so copper peptide, ghkc is a profound peptide. We call it the shamwow peptide, you know, kind of like in my clinical circles in that it has so many different effects that it exerts. I mean, it’s obviously a very powerful angiogenic peptide. It’s the it’s the strongest transdermal peptide. So all of the, quote, unquote, smart, you know, skincare companies out there use peptideg, KCU, and their formulations. Most of them do not use it in the percentage that they need to to really truly get the my company, which, again, we sold last year in March of 2022, which was a Sierra Custom. You know, probably had the strongest Jhkcu, cream, and serum in the marketplace. It was a 3% grade, which is technically still below clinical great effectiveness, and so you we were able to sell it over the counter. But anybody who used it had profound, you know, improvement to their skin quality in their face especially aging women, fine lines and wrinkles, melasma, all of those things that dramatically improves. But you can also inject it. And and like I said, it’s also it’s a very powerful angiogenic, which means increasing red blood cell and tissue flow or formation to the area. So, like, when you inject it, let’s say into the scalp, it will improve hair regrowth. Right? So you I mean, so so I have to say this, you know, the caveat. Some people who inject copper peptidegh KCU notice a massive burning. Some people who inject it notice nothing. So, again, it’s all genetic, you know, equalization here. Everybody’s out of 1 and biochemical unique. some people notice the burning and some people don’t notice it. But it’s a very, very profound angiogenic peptide. So, again, You can use it for a lot of different things. But most people use copperpept.ghkcu in a transdermal formulation to enhance Scripps cell growth. you know, our hair product, which we now have I’m not part of the company, but I am the master affiliate. Entera which is my ex business partner, Nick Andrews, with the CEO, his new company. He has a product called FOLITON, which I’m now using in my scalp, which is absolutely the number one, in my opinion, hair regrowth peptide based product on the planet. It is in the process of being patented. but it’s got 4 different peptides listed in the ingredients, and, dude, it’s way stronger than our previous product, which was called Oksana before we sold a sear. And, again, that’s to me where the real wheelhouse is for copper peptideghkcu in topical formulation. So whether you put it on the skin or in the hair, It works profoundly. And then the other questions you asked me were the melanin quartoid receptor complex peptides, which is melanin melanin 1 Melanotan 2 and even PT 141. So I hate Melanatan
Nick Urban [00:45:43]:
Jay Campbell [00:45:44]:
Not because it doesn’t work, but because there are risks in using it. There’s no question. And, again, you know, we’ve written articles about this on campbell.com, and people can go read those articles for free. But it does increase or strengthen or enhance the formation of dark moles on people’s backs and shoulders, which doesn’t mean that you’re creating a cancerous lesion, but it can potentially become 1, so you have to be careful. And, again, that’s always relevant to that person’s melanin levels in their skin. I will say this, and we now know this for a fact. Like, someone like me. Right? Like so I use Melina Tan 1. Now I live right now in Playa del Carmen, you know, essentially in the tropic zone. So I’m in the sun almost every single day. Dude, I am a Campbell Scottish Irish, you know, I’ve got some German. I’ve got Northern European ancestry. I was a white boy Upper I used to say Upper Midwest from Corn Fed White Boy 25 years ago before I started using m 1, and I was not the start. So m one has absolutely, in my opinion, permanently darkened the melanin content of my skin, which has actually insulated me from, you know, any kind of, quote unquote, Sun issues. Right? Because if I was getting this much sun as I am now before having Melanin 1 or Melanin 1 introduced into me, I probably have all sorts of skin issues, maybe sunburn skin skin mild skin cancers. Who knows? lesions, whatever. So there’s definitely an effect of using these products that will enhance and darken the melanin from both. But but back to melanin tan 2, it also produces an orangest brown skin coloring, which for competitive bodybuilders or fitness models or bikini competitors, you know, it’s great. Right? Because they wanna be really dark when they’re on stage. But for normal everyday people who wanna just look better and get a darker tan, it looks really weird. You know? I like to tell safe sometimes, like, you look literally like an oompa loompa. You know? You’ve got, like, that orange brown skin color. You’re like, what the hell? So between that, its ability to increase mole formation or darken moles. The other thing that also can do for a lot of people when I’m one of them is it increases the feeling of nausea. So if you inject a little bit too much, you can literally get that dry heaving, like, oh my god. Like, I feel like I’m a mama, but that comes up a fact. And a lot of people notice that. Same thing with PT 141. So PT141 is a sexual enhancement from a functioning standpoint peptide in that it can increase the strength and the term or the time of an erection. So, again, it’s increasing blood cell, not blood cell, but increasing blood flow you know, to the organs, the penis. And it also works in women too. It does the same thing and increases blood flow to the clitoris. Here’s the thing with that that peptide. There’s a massive audience of people who are non responders. I’m one of them. True story, when I first started using PT 141 or attempted to use it back in 2008, 2009, bro, it never worked. And I would accuse the guy that I was buying it from of scaring me. But back then, we didn’t know. And now, obviously, you know, you know, there’s much more science out there. By the way, PT 141 is also an FDA approved peptide. It’s called Aphroblammonotide, and it’s very expensive. I remember back in the day where you could literally buy Melanatan 1. Actually, I just misspoke. Aphropelamotide is Melanotan 10 1. And it’s now a FDA approved peptide. Dude, I used to be able to buy it for 10 bucks a while. 10 milligram, $10 a mile way back in the day. And now it’s, like, 10 milligrams clinically is, like, 700 bucks. with a script. So it’s like a total joke, but there’s there’s some profound and again, I’ve obviously written about this, profound consciousness enhancing effects with Melanotan 1. But bottom line is if you use Melanetan 1 and you use it at a clinically precise dose, you will darken your skin color, you will maximize your natural your body’s natural ability to to be exposed to sun. So you’ll never get, you know, orange. You will never look retarded. You’ll have, like, my shape. Right? Like, this is probably as dark as I most likely can get. And, again, I just came from Tulum Mexico in the last 2 days. I was in the sun. And then again, it enhances consciousness. And, again, I write about this in both the TOT Bible and also the article that’s on jcampbell.com. If you’re a meditator, you know, you’re an introspector, you’re someone that gets into mind’s silence or stillness, it will definitely enhance your ability to do that. And then also while you’re in that, you know, alpha brainwave state of consciousness, you can stay there longer too.
Nick Urban [00:50:29]:
That’s very interesting. And I don’t know if you’re familiar with his work, but in in the book called REGENERATE Serergy talks about how he believes that Melanin was one of the core differentiators that allowed human to humans to become spiritual and to attain our current status and to be as successful as we are.
Jay Campbell [00:50:49]:
So I’m gonna take it one deeper. So, yes, I’m familiar with him and all his work. So I theorized that the reason that black people were, you know, subjugated, oppressed, made into slaves, done away with their entire African culture if you think about it is because they have the strongest Melanotan receptor co toy complexes in their body. That’s why their skin is the way they are. and they have the most spiritual power. So if you understand that, then it would make sense that the quote unquote, you know, whoever the enemy is on this planet we could go into that if you really wanted to. Let’s just call it the parasitic energy force. They have gone after the quote, unquote dark melanismatic peoples, you know, whether they’re black, african, negroid, whatever you wanna call them. forever, dude, because they hold the key. Now, obviously, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to start looking at, like, the skills and the capabilities of you know, professional black athletes, entertainers. I mean, they have unbelievable power as artists, you know, as creators, as athletes. So it’s like it stands to reason that they went after that group because, again, they have this connection to quote unquote source. You know what I mean? And so it’s like, if you wanna, like, suppress an entire culture forever. Like, that’s the 1. I mean, look at look I mean, just look at Africa. Look what has been done to Africa over the last 1000 maybe millions of years. We don’t know. All the timelines are stolen from us. Everything is BS. But it’s like you all you have to do is look at that mean, dude, I have 5 books. It’s so funny we’re talking about this right now. I have 5 books about Melendid. And you can do this right now. You can literally go on Amazon, and you can search melanin on Amazon. Melanin and books are on Amazon and look what comes up. Some of the most profound stuff Now some people will say woo woo, but it’s not woo woo if you drill down deeper and go more granular and you start reading what these people are saying. So He’s right. And I I would say I would say that it goes way deeper. This is a gigantic suppression you know, quote, unquote, event in human history of suppressing human consciousness. And, again, the, quote, unquote, black, dark, negroid you know, call them indigenous races, this is what has been going on since the beginning, suppressing that, and those people were clearly the ones that were most from a spiritual standpoint to quote unquote to to source creation to god, whatever you wanna call it, but there’s there’s absolutely no doubt about it, bro. And then so wrap a bow on this nootropics,
Nick Urban [00:53:32]:
So you mentioned that Melanotan 1 is powerful for consciousness. Would PT141 and then Melanotan 2? Because Millan 1 is very difficult find in the most places you have to be a research a researcher to get your hands on it. I think limitless now
Jay Campbell [00:53:48]:
or at least they have offered it. Well, Yeah. They’re gonna have it pretty soon. Yeah. If you’re in the VIP club, which, you know, now you can go to their website. By the way, it’s so funny we’re doing this today because their new website literally launched about 2 hours ago, which took a long time to get built. But yeah. So, I mean, people can get access to their VIP buyers club, but the VIP buyers club will have Melanin 1 Melanin 1 pretty soon. But, yeah, it’s very difficult to get it. You can buy it from peptide Sciences You know? And I don’t think that product is bad, you know, from talking to people that use it. You know, I don’t know if I trust all their products. But, I mean, again, you know, some people are gonna say, some companies peptides are better than other companies’ peptides, but it’s not something that’s very difficult to manufacture. Again, although, you know, big pharma decided that they wanted to control its production and distribution of it. But it is an amazing peptide, and it’s definitely in my top 5 prep guides to use and to explore. And, again, if you’re someone who meditates or, you know, really goes into stillness and does that, like, it’s absolutely a must have. Okay. Well, that’s great. I mean, I have still another vial of MT2.
Nick Urban [00:54:56]:
I’m Lantan 2 here, and I can confirm that it does give me, like, a redder color than I would like. but it’s better than burning for now until I can get my hands. If you don’t get
Jay Campbell [00:55:06]:
a nauseous reaction to it, which I do, which I cannot use it at all. And you are okay as far as, like, you don’t have a lot of dark moles or gross on your body. No one no one a tan too. fine. But just use a very moderate dose because if you use a too high of a dose, you will turn orange. You know? And it’s totally unnatural. But just be just be careful. And, again, for me, I just tell people Melanotan 1 is much better if you can get it. But like you said, it is harder to get So, you know, it’s one of the kinda one of those, like, happy mediums of, like, if you can get Melanotan 1, use it. But if you can’t, just use a very, very, very low dose of Melanetan 2 and proceed cautious Yeah. That’s what I do. But do I still get some of the same spiritual benefits, the same You know, that’s a good question. I mean, theoretically, you should, but in practicality, I don’t see it. You know? And also talking to people, I don’t feel that it’s there. And I think probably that’s why Big Pharma controls Melanotan 1 because they know that that effect is out there. And, again, what do they want? They want suppressed consciousness. That’s what the major how the matrix wins. Right? They don’t want people all waking up all across the world because if that would happen, then we wouldn’t have a matrix.
Nick Urban [00:56:16]:
Yeah. Okay. So rattle off really quickly before move on. Your top 7 peptides at at this moment.
Jay Campbell [00:56:23]:
Okay. So in this moment, for sure, tirzepatide, Tesofensine is small molecule. It’s really not a peptide, but everybody classifies it as a peptide. So those 2, 1, 2, for sure, Ipamorelin. Of course, the the healing peptide BPC, TD 500, Phymus and Alpha 1, love Phymus Alpha 1. I mean, I don’t leave anywhere without that. And then if I’m gonna use if I’m gonna pick a growth hormone agonist, now I use and I’m happy to discuss this. I use nootropics growth hormone. like, when I use Monday through Friday now because I’m an older guy and, you know, it’s much much more beneficial than, you know, just using a peptide GH agonist. But if I was gonna pick 1, it would be between Tessa and Ipa. And I would definitely say of that that class of 7, I would IPAA is best for women for, like, lifelong, you know, usage because, you know, it also increases polyphasic sleep. It it really improves deep, restorative sleep for women.
Nick Urban [00:57:19]:
Well, it’s a a good list. It’s only the very surface that we could spend hours talking about the rest. But we’ll move on to your new work now, and that is the buckling book, I believe it’s called 30 days 2 shreds with the number 2 and shreds with a z. So You mentioned one small molecule a second ago that I have and I’ve been using, and that is Tesofensine. And I find it really interesting. But for me, Ironically, the biggest side effect that I didn’t like is that it suppresses my appetite too well. If I take it today, I won’t have an appetite today or tomorrow, and my appetite will start coming back the day after, which is profound because I usually consume between 3500 and 4000 calories a day. I hope that this has been helpful for you. If you enjoyed it, subscribe and hit the thumbs up. I love knowing who’s in the 1% committed to reaching their full potential. Comment 1% below so that I know who you are. For all the resources and links, meet me on my website at mindbodypeak.com. I appreciate you and look forward to connecting with you.
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